Unless I am incorrect, I believe they finished negotiating some sections quite some time ago. It was the major money sections that were the last to be completed, but much of these negotiations were agreed to piecemeal, months before the final week.

I was curious if all those completed sections were kept a mystery from the reps. It seems that some of them were completely blindsided, shocked, by sections that were agreed upon a long time ago. I wonder if the mediation process requires that every single thing be kept secret until the final product is produced.

Don't find it odd at all, everyone has their own rice bowl. Vacuuming maid, no Nap.

The three year commitment for new hires at $100 bucks an hour. Good trade, last I checked no new hire has to go to a FDA.

Max 10% increase in monthly costs. The company's cost are going to out run ours buy multiples. We kept our plan despite Nancy Pelosi's efforts to kill it. Plus we have other alternatives which looking at them could be a very good deal if you are young and healthy.

Loss of Passover pay. It is what we asked for. Tell me how we can bid for training slots and keep passover? Slot denial is a good alternative.

The addition of Dash 8s, much like RJs, a fact of life in modern air travel.

Section 25 hidden gems, must be well hidden, on the whole I like the section 25 changes. They might have peed in my rice bowl with the 8-24 day time relief, if so I'll buy a new rice bowl.

The allotment of large sums to retiring captains, SLB, buy back, fly till you die. More options for those that want it. I plan on using my sick leave for when I am sick. I guarantee our survey said something about recovering our sick banks upon retirement.

2.67379412 % raise. Who here thinks signing bonus ever makes up for lost wages? I don't. And I am certain another 2 year delay will result in more lost pay. Not to mention continued lost opportunities to cash in while the company is shorthanded like so many others are currently doing.

Agree or disagree all APC comments are generally amusing and sometimes welcome. But I have voted and am done debating. For the record I voted no, logged my vote on APC, and then went back and changed my vote to yes. Just because I could.

Unfortunately, for many, it is. That is why we will never get the contract we deserve. Kick butt company, making lots of money, and we might settle for mediocrity. JMO.

Sometimes it makes me sad to be working in this environment; except for the paycheck. ;)

There is a little known bug at the voting company, it records your first vote only, despite what it says!:D

Now, how many disclaimers should I add and how many people will question if you can really change your vote or not?:confused:

Well, considering that there are a lot of givebacks to a company that is doing very well, counter arguments would prove a dilution of your worth.

I thought it was a fair summary.

I heard that's only if it's a YES vote.
So if the TA passes, then we'll know why.:cool:

That sounds "desperate" to me! :rolleyes: Do you really think it is that many or just the usual suspects like it has always been?

Also, what guarantee do you have that those "lost opportunities" will be there if this TA passes. Maybe everyone will go back to flying their normal schedule and there will be nothing in open time. I know for my seat that once the secondary lines are built there is very little left in open time! Trips don't start showing up until open time is released and trips are dropped.

Not Desperate just logical, I happen to be very senior in a seat that is growing and shorthanded. It does not happen often in a career, and the last two years I have not been able to take advantage. Others have. When/if TA 2.0 comes around I may not have the opportunities. Voting no and remaining on the sidelines will cost me 30K at current contract wages next year with very little extra work.

You ought to quit and work on wall street then. ;)