GiggityGoo

In my opinion I feel that the "yes" guys are voting out of fear. I feel they don't really think it's a good TA but are afraid of not getting a better one or of having to wait another 6-12 months. I have heard a bunch of "No" guys trying to persuade the "Yes" guys to vote no, but I haven't heard one "yes" guy try to persuade a "no" guy. A friend of mine said it best. Nads, you either got them or you don't.

TOGA!

busdriver12

Policywonk, is it you? So nice to see you again, it's been such a long time.

Huck

Dang right I'm scared.

Scared we're going to waste another 2-3 years and never get back the time value of money.

JetJocF14

Don't be such a wussy, it's not like your losing your job.

busdriver12

True. Been there, done that, not any fun whatsoever.

However. Huck does have an important point. My example (as everyone has a different number) one year delay=$32,650. Two year delay=$74,300. Don't even want to think about a third year. It is a balance of how much one believes it will cost to delay, how long it will be delayed, and how much one thinks a different TA might improve. Add how much you value money over possible QOL issues, or if you think QOL will improve or decline because of the TA. Easy call for some, tough call for others.

Huck

Says the triple captain......

Busboy

What is that supposed to mean?

He has less to lose?

FDX1

Feel free to support that with some details?

I find it interesting that some proponents of rejecting this TA have thrown out anything from 4 months to 1 year to achieve yet another TA. Sure it's anyones best guess, but the idea that this TA that took more than 4 years to achieve will be tossed to the trash bin and we will establish a new NC, possibly new committee's, and perhaps even a partial or full replacement of the MEC. THEN, survey, poll, and re-negotiate another complete TA within one year is mind boggling.

Let's just say the deal will take probably more time than anyone of us will find reasonable. Unless of course you FEAR to discuss how long it may really take?

So I think it may feel good to say all the YES voters are reacting to fear, but after speaking to many, it's an educated opinion based on the facts, risk assessment, and a high level of knowledge of failed TA's in previous airline labor deals. I have yet to find a pilot quivering in fear about the outcome.

Busdrivr

I wonder how long the TNT deal will take to close?

machz990

Sometimes it isn't just about the money. If it takes 2 years to get another TA so be it. Better than sacrificing QOL for the next 8 years while simultaneously showing the company we have no unity, no backbone and are willing to assist in throwing our profession under the bus