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09-28-2015, 09:38 PM
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Can someone tell me the "time value of money" formula for waiting 6-10yrs to either fix the A-plan cap or negotiate a B-plan increase that will make up for that lost retirement value? How much bigger will the B-plan, with cash over cap, have to be in 2023 to make up for not fixing it now? 
How do we figure the time value of money lost for the 1000s of our pilots that will retire under this TA? 1000s of our current crewforce will be stuck with this TA's 1998 A-plan cap, for 20 to 30 years, and not reap the benefit of the giant B-plan you will surely fight for in the next contract.
Do any of the "yes" voters actually think the negotiating environment is going to be better 6-10 years from now?
How do we figure the time value of money lost for the 1000s of our pilots that will retire under this TA? 1000s of our current crewforce will be stuck with this TA's 1998 A-plan cap, for 20 to 30 years, and not reap the benefit of the giant B-plan you will surely fight for in the next contract.
Do any of the "yes" voters actually think the negotiating environment is going to be better 6-10 years from now?
09-29-2015, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Can someone tell me the "time value of money" formula for waiting 6-10yrs to either fix the A-plan cap or negotiate a B-plan increase that will make up for that lost retirement value? How much bigger will the B-plan, with cash over cap, have to be in 2023 to make up for not fixing it now?
How do we figure the time value of money lost for the 1000s of our pilots that will retire under this TA? 1000s of our current crewforce will be stuck with this TA's 1998 A-plan cap, for 20 to 30 years, and not reap the benefit of the giant B-plan you will surely fight for in the next contract.
Do any of the "yes" voters actually think the negotiating environment is going to be better 6-10 years from now?
How do we figure the time value of money lost for the 1000s of our pilots that will retire under this TA? 1000s of our current crewforce will be stuck with this TA's 1998 A-plan cap, for 20 to 30 years, and not reap the benefit of the giant B-plan you will surely fight for in the next contract.
Do any of the "yes" voters actually think the negotiating environment is going to be better 6-10 years from now?
09-29-2015, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Slightly better than the TVM for all the pilots who have retired over the last 9 years/two contracts when we let it ride.
It seems everyone is still being cr@pped on. I fail to see the logic.
And the guys retiring in the future will lose more in the TVM equation, not the other way around. The A plan cap will always be worth more the farther back in time you go.
09-29-2015, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Do any of the "yes" voters actually think the negotiating environment is going to be better 6-10 years from now?
09-29-2015, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock
I'll go on record right now and say the negotiating environment will never be better than it was 3 months ago. It will be much worse as soon as this peak is over.
The future isn't bleak.
09-29-2015, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock
I'll go on record right now and say the negotiating environment will never be better than it was 3 months ago. It will be much worse as soon as this peak is over.
09-29-2015, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Can someone tell me the "time value of money" formula for waiting 6-10yrs to either fix the A-plan cap or negotiate a B-plan increase that will make up for that lost retirement value? How much bigger will the B-plan, with cash over cap, have to be in 2023 to make up for not fixing it now?
How do we figure the time value of money lost for the 1000s of our pilots that will retire under this TA? 1000s of our current crewforce will be stuck with this TA's 1998 A-plan cap, for 20 to 30 years, and not reap the benefit of the giant B-plan you will surely fight for in the next contract.
Do any of the "yes" voters actually think the negotiating environment is going to be better 6-10 years from now?
How do we figure the time value of money lost for the 1000s of our pilots that will retire under this TA? 1000s of our current crewforce will be stuck with this TA's 1998 A-plan cap, for 20 to 30 years, and not reap the benefit of the giant B-plan you will surely fight for in the next contract.
Do any of the "yes" voters actually think the negotiating environment is going to be better 6-10 years from now?
09-29-2015, 01:43 PM
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IMHO, after peak any negotiating leverage is gone. In January, the instructors will leave line flying for the schoolhouse, HR will ramp up hiring as necessary (maybe 40-50/month), the 767 sim situation will slowly resolve itself, and by summer most of the manning issues will be resolved to a tolerable level. It will take that long to assemble a new NC committee, elect new reps to replace those who resign or are recalled, poll the pilot force, set a strategy and hopefully get the company to re-engage. Now where is the leverage to get the company to offer a 300-320 A plan?
09-29-2015, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FoxHunter
You may find that ALPA finds the contract substandard with a negative impact on all ALPA members. Even if accepted by a majority of FedEx members the ALPA President has to sign the contract.
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