Delta Pilots are forming a new Union called DPA, Delta Pilots Association.

Will this cause ALPA to go bankrupt?


Here's an excert from www.delta-pilots.org :


1. Financial transparency to members – One click access to ALL the financials is available to EVERY DPA Member. Once you are a member, login and click “DPA Finance Log” in the sidebar. External audits will validate the data the Members ALREADY have. We will know our dues are being spent wisely.
2. Financial efficiency – NO subsidizing the regional carriers who want our flying. How our current dues are distributed: More than 16% (approx. $689,000 in 2010) of the MECʼs account allocation for operating income is redistributed to smaller ALPA carriers. ALL DPA dues go completely to meeting Delta Pilotsʼ needs and desires.
3. Financial responsibility – Reduce excessive and unnecessary spending of Member dues. (For example - $6,500/mo housing allowance for the President, $4,500/ mo housing allowance for V.P.s, $1,600/mo car allowance, $498,000 annual compensation for the President, $120,000/year secretaries, $175,000/year magazine editors, massive bonus pensions, $329.00 per night hotel rooms, $260 per day per diem, etc.) DPA Officers and Block Reps will fly partial lines every month and will earn a reasonable reward for service to the Delta Pilots.

 

First, of what Im guessing will be many!!!!!

 

I know they are hurting since USAirways/America West Decertified them.

Now they are loosing AirTran too!

Jetblue may be their only hope for survival.


Looks like ALPA has become too corupt to survive.

ALPA is subsidizing the regional airlines at a very expensive rate, and not even helping to form a single seniority list.

What a MESS!!!!!!!!!

 

They are not losing Delta. DPA has been around for a year now. They are not even close to getting the cards they need for a election and the cards they have on file are starting to expire. It will never even come to a vote. There have been past efforts at DAL after a merger and pilots who don't like the seniority list result try to change unions. I believe after a year of trying they have only about 2500 cards and they need 6000 to even call for a election.

 

Heyas,

In my opinion, and only as a thought exercise:

The loss of DAL would, no doubt, cause a cash crunch.

Assuming that FDX and UAL/CAL wouldn't particularly wish to shoulder the burden of every other pilot group remaining in ALPA, it's my guess that they'd probably bail as well. AirTran is already a forgone conclusion.

So what happens then? My guess is the major airlines would form a new group, possibly with SWA, UPS and AMR included, albiet with a much looser "Articles of Confederation" than what ALPA currently operates under. Call it "Super Premium Major Airline Pilots Coalition" (SPMAPC).

Those groups would seek to contract out major items of collective interest that is now handled by ALPA National, such as Aeromedical, EF&A, and the ALPA PAC.

Ironically, those parts of ALPA are already set up to operate as a contract entity, and already handle many pilot groups outside of ALPA.

In consideration of this, what happens to ALPA National as it now stands? My guess without the massive cash flow of the majors, they'd need to split up and pare down as much as possible, and split off the revenue producing part of ALPA from the representational part.

The first thing that would happen, in my wild guess, is that all of the services that are already set up to provide contract services, such as the above (Aeromed, EF&A, etc) would be placed into a holding group. Call it "Airline Pilot Services, Inc".

The ALPA PAC would probably be renamed "Airline Pilots Congressional Action Committee" or some such. They would become the main lobby-for-hire group.

The representational half would remain as ALPA, but now left representing regional and smaller airlines. Without the major subsidy provided by the heavy hitters, I'm not sure how well they'd fair. There would certainly have to be a dues increase to try to retain any semblance of the services they now enjoy.

But without the barrier of DFR, those groups could then actively solicit major airline flying (AKA race to the bottom). OTOH, the major airline groups could wage unrestricted warfare to reclaim their flying, without much worry of RJDC type actions.

All in all, the chairs would remain the same, just re-organized, with much more emphasis on autonomy and contracting out the grunt work. The services provided to the smaller & regional airlines would, no doubt, suffer.

As I said, I'm bored, and just running a thinking game. Who wants to jump in?

Nu

 

The Delta pilots are satisfied with our representation.
We love working under this bankruptcy contract. We have LOA #29 now.
Twenty nine "constructive engagement" negotiations and still no wage restoration, but hey, times are tough. Our union is teaching us how to read the balance sheet so we'll know just how bad things are.

The DPA is just a tiny group of troublemakers.
ALPA is handling the situation --

 

Love the video, was that from the ALPA communications' website?

 

Same thing at Comair, except no LOAs and no snapbacks yet.

ALPA at work for you.

 

ALPA will inevitably fail, it may start with United decertifying them. Delta will take longer.

 

I could pull a BH (comm chair) and just tell you you're wrong. But I'll correct your inaccuracies. They only had a very small number of cards at this time last year. The vast majority of the cards didn't start coming in until August of last year and will not start to expire until then.

A complete lie that you and others like to tell over and over in spite of having been corrected numerous times. DPA has been extremely clear that the SLI has absolutely nothing to do with this and that they have no intention of revisiting that issue.

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