Industry Leading
10-01-2015, 01:33 PM
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Industry Leading
What constitutes "Industry Leading"?
Our TA Pay Rates are described by our Negotiating Committee Chairman as "Industry Leading." I invite you to examine those rates and justify the characterization.
Granted, Pay Rates was not one of the Top Five priorities identified by the FedEx pilots leading up to the 2010 Openers. Yet, if our current Negotiating Committee is intent on selling this TA using terms like "Industry Leading" pay rates, then such an assertion requires an examination of its voracity. If this assertion is a stretch, how can we trust that other stretches have not been made?
Watch the Roadshow videos. 4 slides compare our rates to other airlines. Which of those slides show higher pay rates? On the one (of four) that does show a higher rate, what longevity is compared? Is it 15 year rates versus 15 year rates? (No.). Is it 12 year rates versus 12 year rates? (No.). Look at the title of that slide. Do you feel like you've been given the unvarnished truth, or a slant?
"My Negotiating Committee Speaks For Me" means I won't succumb to The Company's efforts to circumvent the Negotiating Committee and attempt to deal directly with the pilots. It is not an unrestricted license to undermine the best interests of the pilot group.
It's the job of the Negotiating Committee now to describe the deal, good, bad, and otherwise. I get enough deceit from The Company; I don't need it or want it from my own team. Industry leading? Balderdash.
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Our TA Pay Rates are described by our Negotiating Committee Chairman as "Industry Leading." I invite you to examine those rates and justify the characterization.
Granted, Pay Rates was not one of the Top Five priorities identified by the FedEx pilots leading up to the 2010 Openers. Yet, if our current Negotiating Committee is intent on selling this TA using terms like "Industry Leading" pay rates, then such an assertion requires an examination of its voracity. If this assertion is a stretch, how can we trust that other stretches have not been made?
Watch the Roadshow videos. 4 slides compare our rates to other airlines. Which of those slides show higher pay rates? On the one (of four) that does show a higher rate, what longevity is compared? Is it 15 year rates versus 15 year rates? (No.). Is it 12 year rates versus 12 year rates? (No.). Look at the title of that slide. Do you feel like you've been given the unvarnished truth, or a slant?
"My Negotiating Committee Speaks For Me" means I won't succumb to The Company's efforts to circumvent the Negotiating Committee and attempt to deal directly with the pilots. It is not an unrestricted license to undermine the best interests of the pilot group.
It's the job of the Negotiating Committee now to describe the deal, good, bad, and otherwise. I get enough deceit from The Company; I don't need it or want it from my own team. Industry leading? Balderdash.
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10-01-2015, 03:13 PM
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We weren't able to fix Management's silly sick leave policy?
Maybe we could compromise and agree that 35,000 (HALF!) of these sick code billing illnesses don't require a "note from my mother"?
There Are Now Officially 70,000 Ways to Get Sick or Die - Bloomberg Business
I'm glad we were able to fix the Military Leave policy so that it's now in accordance with FEDERAL LAW, why can't we fix REALLY stupid policies like that?
Maybe we could compromise and agree that 35,000 (HALF!) of these sick code billing illnesses don't require a "note from my mother"?
There Are Now Officially 70,000 Ways to Get Sick or Die - Bloomberg Business
I'm glad we were able to fix the Military Leave policy so that it's now in accordance with FEDERAL LAW, why can't we fix REALLY stupid policies like that?
10-01-2015, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
I'm glad we were able to fix the Military Leave policy so that it's now in accordance with FEDERAL LAW, why can't we fix REALLY stupid policies like that?
10-01-2015, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
What constitutes "Industry Leading"?
Our TA Pay Rates are described by our Negotiating Committee Chairman as "Industry Leading." I invite you to examine those rates and justify the characterization.
Granted, Pay Rates was not one of the Top Five priorities identified by the FedEx pilots leading up to the 2010 Openers. Yet, if our current Negotiating Committee is intent on selling this TA using terms like "Industry Leading" pay rates, then such an assertion requires an examination of its voracity. If this assertion is a stretch, how can we trust that other stretches have not been made?
Watch the Roadshow videos. 4 slides compare our rates to other airlines. Which of those slides show higher pay rates? On the one (of four) that does show a higher rate, what longevity is compared? Is it 15 year rates versus 15 year rates? (No.). Is it 12 year rates versus 12 year rates? (No.). Look at the title of that slide. Do you feel like you've been given the unvarnished truth, or a slant?
"My Negotiating Committee Speaks For Me" means I won't succumb to The Company's efforts to circumvent the Negotiating Committee and attempt to deal directly with the pilots. It is not an unrestricted license to undermine the best interests of the pilot group.
It's the job of the Negotiating Committee now to describe the deal, good, bad, and otherwise. I get enough deceit from The Company; I don't need it or want it from my own team. Industry leading? Balderdash.
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Our TA Pay Rates are described by our Negotiating Committee Chairman as "Industry Leading." I invite you to examine those rates and justify the characterization.
Granted, Pay Rates was not one of the Top Five priorities identified by the FedEx pilots leading up to the 2010 Openers. Yet, if our current Negotiating Committee is intent on selling this TA using terms like "Industry Leading" pay rates, then such an assertion requires an examination of its voracity. If this assertion is a stretch, how can we trust that other stretches have not been made?
Watch the Roadshow videos. 4 slides compare our rates to other airlines. Which of those slides show higher pay rates? On the one (of four) that does show a higher rate, what longevity is compared? Is it 15 year rates versus 15 year rates? (No.). Is it 12 year rates versus 12 year rates? (No.). Look at the title of that slide. Do you feel like you've been given the unvarnished truth, or a slant?
"My Negotiating Committee Speaks For Me" means I won't succumb to The Company's efforts to circumvent the Negotiating Committee and attempt to deal directly with the pilots. It is not an unrestricted license to undermine the best interests of the pilot group.
It's the job of the Negotiating Committee now to describe the deal, good, bad, and otherwise. I get enough deceit from The Company; I don't need it or want it from my own team. Industry leading? Balderdash.
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10-01-2015, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by screamin jet
Now... That is a very good point, and I did notice that. Why would they compare apples to oranges? ...
10-01-2015, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by screamin jet
Now... That is a very good point, and I did notice that. Why would they compare apples to oranges? Are we ALL that tired, fatigued and dumbed up? Or what? Our top end pay scales are 15 yrs. here at FedEx. Everyone else's for our comparison sake, it's 12 yrs. at AA, DL and UA.
By any chance is 12 years the top end at those places? I dont know.
10-01-2015, 04:23 PM
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FX T/A 12 year WB Capt rate is higher than DL and UA B777 Capt rate. Less than AA. FX T/A WB Capt. rate MUCH higher than AA B767-300 rate. Slightly less than AA 757 rate. Doesn't seem like they were trying to hide anything. With the T/A we will be better than most even at 12 year comparisons.
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10-01-2015, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ClutchCargo
FX T/A 12 year WB Capt rate is higher than DL and UA B777 Capt rate. Less than AA. FX T/A WB Capt. rate MUCH higher than AA B767-300 rate. Slightly less than AA 757 rate. Doesn't seem like they were trying to hide anything. With the T/A we will be better than most even at 12 year comparisons.
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