So I'm guessing unity goes down the drain when comes to voting. It's all about ME. Just like on another thread I read Albie15 pages for voting yes and again it's was all about how it benefits him and his family. Therefore the pilots who fly overtime were doing so justifiably.

Again I have no dog in this fight but just observing the double standards.

Completely agree.

If it's convenient for Albie, two's in. The pedestal he's been placed on continues to baffle me. I guess being a block rep entitles you to a captive audience looking for wisdom and truth.

The TA is a dog. Not a single pilot on this property is impressed and doing backflips in the living room with excitement.

But ... plenty are willing to rationalize the safety of marginal gains. I'm happy for Albie and his family, enjoy HKG. It should be a significantly better experience, but then again, some people like to rough it versus going first class.

Any of you no guys agree with this sentiment... While we cast our collective votes, we are each voting for the enhancement our own lives and careers.

Star clipper aparently doesn't even work here and you are supposed to vote his interests.

It doesn't matter where I work, but I'll call BS or double standard when I see it. A lot of guys on here who were preaching unity and knock other for flying overtime "whether or it was to the individuals family benefit" are now only concerned about there own family and pockets. Therefore when time to negotiate another contract how would be able to deter guy from flying overtime. Seems like it's ok to be selfish and put unity aside when it's convenient to you.

I appreciate the people who explained how the TA would affect them on a personal level. Everyone is thinking about that, and personal examples make much more sense than wading through technical contractual language. I don't consider that selfish at all. In fact the concept of, "Don't vote your interests, vote mine, and if you don't, you're selfish," seems weird to me.

The reason why I think there may be little unity is witnessing all the newly blocked schedules over the last several months, and the number of people working three weeks out of every four, during negotiations. It's hard to keep the faith, witnessing that.:(

It actually does matter where you work. You want a no vote because you think it will give your union a stronger hand. Nothing wrong with that, it is in your self interest.

Unity while we are in negotiations is one thing. Unity after we vote on a contract is another issue. Every vote is based one way or the other on self interests. But once we as a group decide on a course of action then it takes all of us to achieve it. And that is what we as indiviiduals are deciding, which step are we going to take next. It is in your self interest to join a union and it is in your self interest to see that the union is successful.

I guess these people are looking out for their best interest and the best interest of their families. It's no different than FDXLAG, ROCK and Albie15 defending their votes

We decided a course of action - it was called our openers! We didn't acheive them! The course of action required would be to turn down this TA and work for a better one!

Based on what I'm reading, there is no contract yet. Just a TA, the contract haven't been voted in yet. And if you think Mngmt don't look at what actions are taken by crew force at other companies, you're fooling yourself. They pay very close attention to work rules, compensation ect. With that being said, work rules and QOL and other companies could have an adverse effect on your company. There is currently a new company flying MD11 based out of Florida, if their work rule are such that they don't have enough rest and God forbid an incident occur, what effect would the incident of an MD11 have on your company. At the end of the day we are all interconnected. One man mistake regardless if it's due to fatigue or poor working condition could cause serious change in regulation for all.