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Originally Posted by GetRealDude
(Post 1988371)
Dude, I think it's spot on and hilarious. If you can't appreciate it, return to the Rock.
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Originally Posted by Rock
(Post 1988369)
Dude...reread what you just wrote and ruminate on it for a few seconds. Maybe you were trying to be ironically humorous. Except you don't seem to ever have a sense of humor.
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Lag - send me a PM and we can chat.
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It started here and all I did was make a comment about our course of action.
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1988198)
It actually does matter where you work. You want a no vote because you think it will give your union a stronger hand. Nothing wrong with that, it is in your self interest.
Unity while we are in negotiations is one thing. Unity after we vote on a contract is another issue. Every vote is based one way or the other on self interests. But once we as a group decide on a course of action then it takes all of us to achieve it. And that is what we as indiviiduals are deciding, which step are we going to take next. It is in your self interest to join a union and it is in your self interest to see that the union is successful.
Originally Posted by MaxKts
(Post 1988202)
We decided a course of action - it was called our openers! We didn't acheive them! The course of action required would be to turn down this TA and work for a better one!
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1988211)
So you going to withhold dues if it a yes? What are your actions if it is a no? Maybe dissolve ALPA? I am sorry you are so upset, life goes on. If the nos carry the day, part of me will be relieved that the company doesn't get 8 in 24 relief and we can have a real discussion on retirement.
Originally Posted by MaxKts
(Post 1988255)
Where do you get all that? This is why some have a problem with you. Someone counters your logic and you go all out on them.
I'm not upset, I don't plan on quiting ALPA, And even if I wanted to, which I don't, I can not withhold dues! If this TA passes, I will collect my signing bonus, take my pay raise and in six years take my 30K! SLB won't be a factor because I don't plan on working that hard my last couple of years, although, I think we will all be working harder than we wish! If the TA fails, I will do whatever is asked of me by the MEC! Life goes on with a yes vote and the world does not implode with a no vote! Although, with a yes vote 8 in 24 is gone forever and our retirement will continue to erode!
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1988338)
You know Fock this place.
I responded to some other foreign poster that unity was supporting the MEC while they negotiate and then supporting them after we (the voters) decide on a course of action. You butt in with a response that has absolutely nothing to do with my response to UPStarman and say "we decided on a course of action the openers". I guess you consider that countering my logic. I point out hey we are beyond that. A TA trumps openers. If it gets voted in what are you going to do? And you take exception to it. You gave a snarky response to my post i replied in kind with about 10 % of the snark. For the record, openers don't mean squat in section 6 negotiations. Particularly after a mediated TA is reached and is voted on by the MEC.
Originally Posted by MaxKts
(Post 1988351)
There you go again...
I have a lot more to say but I will leave it at that.
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1988359)
Passive Aggressive. Leave it if you like. For the life of me there was nothing in my post to starups that anyone can find objectionable but you did, and I am at fault.
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1988382)
He is on my ignore list but you quoted him. I think she/he is a stalker so I'm just ignoring her. She knows my name but hides his/hers, not worth worrying about.
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Ignore me?
Fine. Completely and unapologetically unconcerned. I reached out to Lag via PM in an effort to find common ground and declare a truce of sorts. He can accept or ignore. The response tells me all I need to know about his character. I'd be remiss if I didn't offer the same to Rock. We're all on the same team. We may disagree on our personal worth based on the TA, but we can be civil. However ... rest assured, sarcasm and punk comments won't resolve our differences. Lower the bar and I'll meet you there. That's your MO so I'll be right there with you. |
Gentleman, lets chill out some. The no voters going ballistic just hurt the "no" cause. If some of the logic of the yes voters defy your understanding, so be it. Nobody is going to win this pi$$in contest. JMO.
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Originally Posted by FLMD11CAPT
(Post 1988219)
... why would the MEC vote unanimously to conclude negotiations and then ...? . |
You get what you deserve
Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
(Post 1988020)
You may see it as courageous. I see it as simply pragmatic. I voted yes for reasons obvious enough to me. I ran a personal cost/benefit analysis and came to a "yes", by a small margin.
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Originally Posted by Chainsaw
(Post 1988463)
That's because you are a coward.
"Our leverage will be our unity after the vote"..... Yeah. Right. Whichever way this vote goes, a person would have to be crazy to think we'll all just join hands and sing campfire songs after this vote. Some things said simply won't be forgotten. I've said it before and I'll say it again, our strongest, most unified negotiating environment was three months ago. Good luck building that same environment three months from now. Or a year from now. Or two years from now. |
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