Simple question Max, which post countered my logic?

Your openers comment had absolutely nothing to do with the quoted post of mine it responded to. I was at a loss as to what you were trying to say and trying to understand what it had to do with unity.

Openers are wonderful things but they are not written in stone. That is why they call it negotiations.

I think you highlight a very important point. Guys like me do not derive their personal worth from the TA. Not even a little bit. I make financial decisions based on our contract. But my personal worth is not tied to my job. And the things I value most do not have a dollar sign attached.

+1.

C'mon, Rock. You know that all of us YES voters are spineless insane cowards, morons who roll over for the Man, and are happy to accept whatever crumbs the company throws our way. Idiots one and all.

And the calm, measured, dispassionate, respectful insight brought to the "discussion" by the NO side has absolutely NO connection to personal agendas or politics that predated this TA. It's all about the TA--nothing else.:rolleyes:

Taking cheap potshots at the person you hope will stand next to you in the next battle is a great way to get yourself fragged in the next battle.

Why is Albie15 so well regarded?

Well, it isn't because he stepped up to the plate and became a Block rep post FDA LOA, although that's part of it.

It's primarily because he's helped a bunch of pilots make the transition into the Majors. A lot of interview prep, and a lot of handholding for customers, and a lot of free advice on this forum as well.

He's well regarded for many reasons-this was just a few.

And any pilots decision to vote Yes is not indicative of their behavior. One of the most vehement NO guys I know is bouncing around the world on a draft trip right now. His big NO is that WB Capt pay should be well over 300$ because he shouldn't have to work as hard as he is to pull in the bucks. I shouldn't have to work a week of carry over to make $$$$

And I flew with an FO 18 months ago that was irked that he could only trade up 12 hours and go negative 6 hours each month. Haven't run into him in the AOC recently, but I'm sure his vote could swing either way

"The Union hasn't told me not to"-

A segment of the crewforce continues to absolutely astonish me

I just reread Albie's why I'm voting yes novel. Not once, in 100 pages or so, does he attempt to justify his vote by claiming he is smarter, better informed, braver, or has a stronger character than no voters. He doesn't accuse no voters of being idiots, greedy or any other of the more common epithets being thrown around. In fact, he's actually complimentary of the people he knows who are voting no. I don't know Albie. Never used his services. Never advised anyone to use his services. But if nothing else, he's a straight shooter who can explain the merits of his own position without building his case by tearing down the character of his opponents.

EXACTLY. I guarantee you that some of the undecided and yes voters aren't giving any credibility to the viewpoints of people who are personally attacking others, belittling others because of how they are voting.

Don't some of you get it? If there is anyone that could be convinced, YOU are working against that cause. So ironic to call others selfish, when you are indulging your ego, over everything else.

The guy who told me about yesterday's AOC meeting said as the filibuster continued, he watched a guy slowly slip off his orange vote no lanyard and swap it out with the old yellow one. It kind of sounds like a Wellstone funeral moment. It's never a good idea to assume the passion of your inner circle makes you immune to the consequences of obnoxious behavior.

Well, if a guy in the AOC changed his lanyard, I'm changing my vote. If anyone in their right mind is listening to the moronic stuff that goes on here and votes because of it, heaven help us. I hope people read the contract and vote how they feel. There are many reasons to vote yes and many to vote no. But I haven't seen a whole lot going on here than guys just crapping on each other. Guys who would probably be sharing beers on the road if they really knew who the other guy was. I work with some great guys and I can't believe those same people would be posting whats here. But maybe they aren't. Maybe this is just a small percentage of some really angry people. But the petty level of BS here is just sad. State your point and move on. You aren't going to convince anyone of your cause by name calling and he said this stuff. In fact, APC has probably done more to convince guys to vote YES than anything else.

As usual the big mouth in the back of the room complaining that the union and negotiating committee sold him out, mean while he is flying draft and volunteer and has a blue screen calendar. Many no voters say we have leverage , have they looked themselves in the mirror to see if they have helped our hurt our position?