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Old 03-10-2016, 12:47 AM   #1  
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Default Deviation DH

It has been awhile, so I want to make sure interpretation hasnt changed.

I have a DH on the 15th HKG-MEM. I am deviating and want to travel later in the month. I have a trip on the 29th, and the way I have done it in the past is I would DH within 3 days of any trip and the Company paid for the ticket.

The contract says in Sec8....

Travel claimed as a deviation expense must begin or end within 3
days of the scheduled assignment to/from which the pilot is deviating
(e.g., scheduled deadhead, trip or R-day) and must proceed
to the intended destination of the deviation with no greater than a
24 hour delay enroute, domestically, and a 48 hour delay en route
internationally.

The way this reads is that the deviation has to begin or end within 3 days of the "scheduled assignment to/from which the pilot is deviating".

My deviation is not associated with my trip on the 29th. A lawyer would say that my deviation is not associated with the specific trip I have on the 29th, but instead it is connected with the previous trip that had the DH on the 15th.

I know in the past that if the deviation was within the 3 days of any trip, you were good. Maybe I am being paranoid and dont care to eat a $4000+ ticket, but is this still the way it is done?

Also, If my trip starts on the 29th zulu time, does the deviation have to start with 3 days of that trip, or can my deviation end (arrival at my destination) within 3 days.
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Is it for recurrent? There is a side letter on that which opens up the window of acceptable travel dates, to include subsequent bid month.

If its not training...pretty sure the 3 days is hard and fast. CE is probably worth a quick email.

On another note, I returned from states on company ticket (not recurrent) and was quite sick the day after I landed with a stomach bug. Simply no way I could fly a trip two days later, a short 2 leg HAN-SGN trip. Called in sick. No choice, but that was a $3100 ticket I will eat for that virus.
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e.g. is not an all inclusive statement (e.g. training was left out of that verbiage, but included earlier)

If I understand your example, you intend to travel w/in 3 days of your trip on the 29th, so not sure what your concern is. Bank is there for you to use as you see fit to\from Work

If nothing else, the self-scheduling option for booking tickets on PFC should set your concerns at ease.
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Thanks for the input. My main concern was the wording...within 3 days of the "scheduled assignment to/from which the pilot is deviating".

The trip I am using to be within the 3 days is not the scheduled assignment from which I am deviating. That trip has no DH's.

It is a semantics thing. And I am weary of the way PSP/just culture has been working around here!
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The important thing is that you Have a "scheduled" assignment. Used Bank money to DH to work under your exact scenario in January, no issues w/ the expense report

As I understand it, "Just Culture" is for FOM things, not the reasonable person contractual things. Frustrating though it is, I just run with the mindset that CRS is likely to tell you almost anything in hopes of keeping the freight moving, up to me to keep them contractually honest
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So if I understand this right, your question is, if you can connect your travel to a trip that has no deadheads?

It's perfectly legal. You don't have to have a deadhead to claim travel. For example, people based in Memphis have trips that begin and end in Memphis, with no deadhead, and as long as they stay within all the other rules (no greater than a 24 hour stopover, 48 hours international stopover), it's legal.

Now I don't know if something changed in the new contract, I didn't think it did. I also don't want to steer you wrong, so maybe someone else can weigh in. I suggest you email crew audit and tell them this is the flight you would like to take, is it legal. It kind of sounds like it's semantics as far as the "scheduled assignment". It's not as if you can only travel from/to where you start your trip, unless something major has changed. I have found crew audit to be very helpful with travel questions.
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Another Q. If you had a trip on the 29th starting at 0300, the earliest you could book the deviation DH would be the 26th, correcto?
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Another Q. If you had a trip on the 29th starting at 0300, the earliest you could book the deviation DH would be the 26th, correcto?
Definitely correct. Another thing, crew audit told me that it's not 72 hours, but three days. So if your trip started on the 29th at 2100, you could book on the 26th early in the morning, greater than 72 hours. However, I don't know if the new contract changed any of these things, I hope not.
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Thanks you all. I used to do a lot of deviating and DHing within 3 days of a trip, but it has been awhile. The contract has not changed. I just wanted to make sure that there were no new interpretations.
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Thanks you all. I used to do a lot of deviating and DHing within 3 days of a trip, but it has been awhile. The contract has not changed. I just wanted to make sure that there were no new interpretations.
New interpretations can come at anytime!
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