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Old 05-01-2016 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
Buy then we'd have to worry about 10 wolf pack members suing ALPA. Maybe that's already in progress?


Well, there's always something.

But GetRealDude's proposal is so easy and would enhance our lives. And it's what we said we wanted, which apparently was irrelevant.
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Old 05-01-2016 | 06:51 AM
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We've also said we like the ability to decline SUB while electing to have Priority over all other Open Time Makeup\Trade requests.

There are very FEW times when I need to know right this minute whether a BLG has gone through, to be honest can't think of a single occasion-ever. And there are very days of the month where the level of frustration raises to that requiring a post on APC.

Patience is a virtue, and Hope Springs Eternal. As the system sits now, I have a little Hope in my life from time to time. Hope that maybe I won't see that dreaded earlier time stamp submission, and I'd rather get that then never see any Open trips or start feeling the need to check Open Time every free minute of the day.
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Old 05-01-2016 | 12:22 PM
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And an overwhelming majority of pilots want the option to use OTP after declining SUB, which real time trading would eliminate
Not correct. The only "problem" with real time trading, is that according to the NC there will not be a time period where trips are sitting in open time waiting to be assigned. The time delay is preferable to the NC so that those with OTP can pick up trips that others have put in for already. If we have Real time trading, once someone puts in for a trip it will be awarded, so the slop time of trips being assigned will not be there for the OTP guy to take advantage of priority. An OTP guy will still be able to pick up at 125% with real time trading, they will just lose the ability to jump someone if there is no one waiting because trips are immediately assigned.

The idea of waiting so someone can get priority is really just way past its time. OTP can still be useful with "priority" if they just put a 5 min OTP window in the open time window when the next month opens. Then the OTP guys can have their requests in before everyone else and if they miss the 5 min window then they are just like everyone else (except at 125%).
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Old 05-02-2016 | 04:22 AM
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Our new VP has been the AOC by the pizza on Thursdays in Memphis at the night hub turn. He came from Southwest. They have real time trip trading. I was thankful to have the opportunity to have a chance to talk to him about bringing real time trip trading here. I suggest you guys go let him know your opinion on this topic.
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Old 05-02-2016 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by purple speed
Our new VP has been the AOC by the pizza on Thursdays in Memphis at the night hub turn. He came from Southwest. They have real time trip trading. I was thankful to have the opportunity to have a chance to talk to him about bringing real time trip trading here. I suggest you guys go let him know your opinion on this topic.
Good suggestion.

I wonder if 'they' would allow him to improve our current early 90's Bid Line Adjustments system outside of negotiations and without us giving up something in return for it. It would be a tremendous display toward improving our culture, as seems to be one of his primary and most admirable goals. With our own NC throwing out the possibility of RTTT to keep OTP, I expect this won't truly be revisited until 2021. But, still worth the effort to communicate clearly with him, as he genuinely seems to have a real interest in improving QOL issues for the line pilot.
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Old 05-02-2016 | 05:36 AM
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And if we do get RTTT, the same people will be back complaining, "I got taken off a great trip and put in sub and now all I can get in open time is 3 leg am out-and-backs. Why did we give up OTP for RTTT?"
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Old 05-02-2016 | 08:33 AM
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we need to do away with sub. If trip cancels you get paid. Just like at other airlines.
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Old 05-02-2016 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by C17MooseDriver
we need to do away with sub. If trip cancels you get paid. Just like at other airlines.
NEVER going to happen. 57% of the guys probably think it's good the way it is. Just ask Albie, FDXLAG and ROCK. We have an industry leading contract.
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Old 05-02-2016 | 01:34 PM
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Another idiot that thinks voting no would have gotten him his personal provision into the next contract. This wasn't on the table. I wish it were but it wasn't.
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Old 05-02-2016 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Another idiot that thinks voting no would have gotten him his personal provision into the next contract. This wasn't on the table. I wish it were but it wasn't.
Quit being a tool. You whine more than anyone else on this forum and now you call someone an idiot for wanting to make changes to the contract..
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