And this started with him calling me out for something in the contract that wasn't on the table. Once again he wanted the fight. But you are a real piece of work for butting in. Again.

:confused: So, Delta voted down their TA. Does that mean that anything that wasn't "on the table" and still being considered when the first TA was sent out can't be put back on?

RTTT certainly was on the table originally. The NC let it get taken off the table (actually they took it off themselves). "OTP made it too hard - we give up".

A "No" vote certainly could have forced them to put it back on. Just like anything else that was found lacking in the TA. That's the whole point of membership ratification - if it's voted down, you fix it. Obviously that ship has sailed.

Voting for it sure didn't get it for us.

How's that working so far.....

Back on topic ladies ...

This is not about a yes or no vote. This is about an amendment or LOA (simple language and programming) coming into modern times.

If trip canceled (many reasons), trip paid like other airlines - regionals and majors. No OTP required knuckleheads. I like it!

If that's not possible, then OTP is simply premium pay. This is not a major occurrence. Very few pilots (percentage) are in SUB or OTP at any point during a bid month.

Thousands of us are trying to drop, trade, make-up, AVA, etc. Name your choice. Flexibility, adjustability, modifications, etc make this job tolerable.

CRS is operating on archaic principles and programming capabilities (embarrassing for a "tech company") -- further complicated by the small percentage of OTP eligible pilots.

It's not about yes or no votes.
It's about a minor modification that benefits the vast majority of pilots.

As I said before, OTP would become Open Time Premium. Pick your trip, no expiration, 125%.

Most would probably prefer full trip pay if dropped into SUB. I like this the best. The naysayers think it's not possible.

Either option is easily accomplished. We're not talking about bumping the A fund ...

[QUOTE=FDXLAG;2122591]An idiot, dolt, dullard or (archaically) mome is a person perceived to be lacking intelligence, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way.

Over 7,000 posts. Get a life or get a wife. But there's got to be more than living your life on this forum. :rolleyes:

5 Posts in three days, take your own advice. Or how many screen names do you have?

Yeahhhhh.... that ain't happenin'. I'd barely believe an act of God would produce such a change with the ink drying on POS 2015 - by LOA is a pipe dream.

The company has ZERO incentive to suddenly decide to pay us for cancelled trips outside contract negotiations. Pointing at the scheduling models of passenger airlines and saying "well, they do it" isn't going to change that.

The company is very, very good at making significant changes to our contract that produce the results they desire. They pay very smart people to outthink us and it works. They're not going to LOA pay for cancelled trips just 'cuz we're a great bunch of guys. Talking with some very smart almost retirees on my last trip made me even more aware of this. The retirement bonus language is genius. The bonus is based on the lesser of:
$110,000
50% of earnings above $520,000 (last 24 months)
50% of closing DSA bank balance

With a few paragraphs, they completely removed any incentive for guys to empty their sick bank prior to retirement. In fact, if a retiring pilot wants the smallest number to be the $110,000 max amount, not only can they not call in sick very much (if at all - depending on pay rate), they need to work a pretty full schedule for the last two years before they retire so they make at least $740K over the last 24 months. Min sick and max productivity before they head off into the sunset.

Hmm, only a few posts trying to stir up trouble. We've had a lot of trolls on here, probably mostly related to Giggity Goo.

Didn't Delta just announce huge profits. I guess if they had voted for their TA they wouldn't be seeing much of a profit sharing check would they?