I didnt know that I had to have an invite from you to be able to comment.

That is a matter of perspective...WE ALL LOST, we lost our unity, we lost our leverage at a critical time in aviation, we lost sight of our worth, we lost trust in our Union and fellow pilots, we lost our cool...

Many reasons why I would never go into a side business with an airline pilot. Also why the company might be moving away from 'Pilot Management,' get professional managers in there. Yalll seem like a giant sorority house on the rag at times...way to emotional and b1tchy.

We lost?

I got a 10% raise, a decent bonus, kept my pension, got a bump in my B fund, didn't get PBS, got more business class deadheads, got some money for sick leave when I retire......

Call it a sub-par contract. Call it too small an increase. But we are not losers.

Okay.. we tied. :D I remember what tying felt like from my sport life.......didn't feel the same as winning. :cool:

Slight thread drift
 

Not wanting to start a new thread - Since we're sort of talking contract:

Can anyone explain why 777 pairing 2207/5May pays 7CH?

Seems like your normal 6CH trip.

18:41 TAFB, 1:18 Block and a back end DH? Did something in the new contract change this?

No offense but it might be working out good as they are not locked in for 6 years like we are with no increase in retirement, improvements in scheduling or work rules etc. As many including myself we are already having to grieve the first class requirement and bank money. You can still show for the good trip you have been finally able to hold seniority wise only to have it given away for draft and you are stuck flying the crap trip. Still no clear requirement to offer you sub instead of simply changing your trip etc.

While I cannot claim that I know for sure if we voted no the next contract would be better, the reverse is true for taking the first one offered. I live within my means and did not need to jump for the first offer.

In the end we are stuck for 6 years at minimum probably more like 9 years congratulations!

A very quick look says it should pay 6:31 3 hours for the first duty period and 3:31 block for the dh

duty time for deadhead is 6:00 hours. 6/1.5 = 4 hour duty rig for second duty period. Show time for deadhead is in the critical period

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A cost of living adjustment, and that wasnt a bonus. That was lost COLA wages, and not even. a one percent bump in bplan, two percent over two years, which may or may not cap out anyway. We kept a few things we had already negotiated, pension being one, and no PBS being another. And if you cash out ur sick leave, you may get half, maybe, but you will most definitely lose the full value of time. Don't even get me started on the travel banks. No, we all lost, but 57 percent are either blind to this, in denial, or indifferent.