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cwjflyer20 05-06-2016 10:24 AM

When you call in sick it gets recorded in a data base. This data base was perfected by a new hire who used to be an assistant fleet mgr.
I has certain trigger points that have been discussed before.
BUT be fully aware. If you call in sick you are being graded.
Management has a pilot report card on you with your name picture. So If you call or e-mail your fleet capt or scp. The first thing they do is pull up your report card. If it shows you have not called in sick in (15 years for example) you are a good guy. They will listen to you. If it shows you call in sick "frequently" you are graded as a non player= bad employee.
The report card also has every call to the DO you ever made in detail. If you were ever late. Deviated and made a mistake. The list goes on.
You may recall the company used to post top hotel room cancelers. The guys who saved company $ Beware. Just look out by the bus stops and all the cameras every where.
Call in sick or fatigued with great care.

Nightflyer 05-06-2016 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by cwjflyer20 (Post 2123886)
When you call in sick it gets recorded in a data base. This data base was perfected by a new hire who used to be an assistant fleet mgr.
I has certain trigger points that have been discussed before.
BUT be fully aware. If you call in sick you are being graded.
Management has a pilot report card on you with your name picture. So If you call or e-mail your fleet capt or scp. The first thing they do is pull up your report card. If it shows you have not called in sick in (15 years for example) you are a good guy. They will listen to you. If it shows you call in sick "frequently" you are graded as a non player= bad employee.
The report card also has every call to the DO you ever made in detail. If you were ever late. Deviated and made a mistake. The list goes on.
You may recall the company used to post top hotel room cancelers. The guys who saved company $ Beware. Just look out by the bus stops and all the cameras every where.
Call in sick or fatigued with great care.

Long, long ago, I was told that we could go to management and ask to see what was in our "file".

Does anyone know if that is still true?

Is it possible to see our "report card"?

FP15 05-06-2016 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by golfandfly (Post 2123735)
Yep, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Sure, the company wanted PBS. They'd like to pay us pennies on the dollar and they'd like to take our retirement.

I don't think we won by keeping what we already had. That's absolutely ridiculous. It was probably the best opportunity to IMPROVE our contract that we will ever have in our careers. They are hundreds of pilots short. They are hiring like mad but still offering AVA in almost every seat. Sure, there will always some of us flying draft during negotiations. But they are so short, it would still put pressure on the company to negotiate.

I think we left a lot on the table. I think we made a big mistake not drawing our line in the sand and improving our retirement. Honestly, I could live with rest of this unspectacular contract, but not addressing retirement was a deal killer for me. I have about 10 years left. The B fund improvement will increase my account by about 40k over those 10 years. That's really not much.

People make a huge deal over PBS. I worked at a legacy carrier that had it. Sorry, but it wasn't a big deal. Seniority ruled, and many times you had better lines than you have now. Instead of someone else building lines, you built them yourselves. I hear guys saying that they can't get a full month off on vacation months and that sort of thing, then they sell back their vacations and work 20 days that month anyway. I'd much rather have our current system, but it has it's price too.

+1. Pretty much says it.

Rock 05-06-2016 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by Nightflyer (Post 2123896)
Long, long ago, I was told that we could go to management and ask to see what was in our "file".

Does anyone know if that is still true?

Is it possible to see our "report card"?

Why should we care? Given all the stories we know about some of our more special pilots, I'm not sure anything in any report card really matters.

Anthrax 05-06-2016 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by Rock (Post 2123925)
Why should we care? Given all the stories we know about some of our more special pilots, I'm not sure anything in any report card really matters.

And now, time for more deep thoughts, by Dumb'sa Rock.

Rock 05-06-2016 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Anthrax (Post 2123932)
And now, time for more deep thoughts, by Dumb'sa Rock.

For obvious reasons, you won't understand this, but every time I read one of your grunts on APC, I'm reminded of walking by a drunk homeless guy who is yelling incoherently at passersby. For just a couple seconds I wonder what he's trying to say. Then I realize he probably doesn't even know, and I move on.

FDXLAG 05-06-2016 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by cwjflyer20 (Post 2123886)
When you call in sick it gets recorded in a data base. This data base was perfected by a new hire who used to be an assistant fleet mgr.
I has certain trigger points that have been discussed before.
BUT be fully aware. If you call in sick you are being graded.
Management has a pilot report card on you with your name picture. So If you call or e-mail your fleet capt or scp. The first thing they do is pull up your report card. If it shows you have not called in sick in (15 years for example) you are a good guy. They will listen to you. If it shows you call in sick "frequently" you are graded as a non player= bad employee.
The report card also has every call to the DO you ever made in detail. If you were ever late. Deviated and made a mistake. The list goes on.
You may recall the company used to post top hotel room cancelers. The guys who saved company $ Beware. Just look out by the bus stops and all the cameras every where.
Call in sick or fatigued with great care.

I am sure it is in a data base, how else would they track how much you have left. As to whether or not management thinks I am abusing it has no impact on my decision and shouldn't. Since I am not, they can't prove otherwise. More so for fatigue.

Anthrax 05-06-2016 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by Rock (Post 2123944)
For obvious reasons, you won't understand this, but every time I read one of your grunts on APC, I'm reminded of walking by a drunk homeless guy who is yelling incoherently at passersby. For just a couple seconds I wonder what he's trying to say. Then I realize he probably doesn't even know, and I move on.

Next time, be a good boy, and drop your dad a few buck.

Red Letter 05-06-2016 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by cwjflyer20 (Post 2123886)
When you call in sick it gets recorded in a data base. This data base was perfected by a new hire who used to be an assistant fleet mgr.
I has certain trigger points that have been discussed before.
BUT be fully aware. If you call in sick you are being graded.
Management has a pilot report card on you with your name picture. So If you call or e-mail your fleet capt or scp. The first thing they do is pull up your report card. If it shows you have not called in sick in (15 years for example) you are a good guy. They will listen to you. If it shows you call in sick "frequently" you are graded as a non player= bad employee.
The report card also has every call to the DO you ever made in detail. If you were ever late. Deviated and made a mistake. The list goes on.
You may recall the company used to post top hotel room cancelers. The guys who saved company $ Beware. Just look out by the bus stops and all the cameras every where.
Call in sick or fatigued with great care.

I think that is a bad suggestion.

If you are truly sick, DON'T FLY! If you are fatigued (or expect to be fatigued before landing; remember GWOE, we are our worst assessor of this), DON'T FLY!

Your statement (bolded above) is called "pilot pushing" and is exactly the objective of the company's ridiculous campaign to "track" sick leave. It appears there goal has been achieved, in your case, with your bolded opinion above. I encourage you to reevaluate your opinion.

The company trains us in GWOE and how dangerous we can be if we are sick, fatigued, dehydrated, overweight, etc., but when we apply this new (to some) knowledge, they can't figure out why sick leave usage is going up. Did they really think sick usage would go down when pilots were trained on the "unknown" hazards? Is Safety really paramount? :rolleyes:

If you are truly sick/fatigued, you have nothing to worry about (except the inconvenience of the harassment of the company). If you start getting harassed by the company, get ALPA involved, as they are tracking the harassment also.

The company is trying to fit all 4,300+ situations into a "one size fits all" solution (e.g. if a pilot calls in X number of times, he is obviously an abuser, because they think NOBODY can actually be sick that much). In reality, people get sick more often some years than others. Some get sicker as they age. Sometimes you are in the wrong place at the wrong time (car wreck, forced to go to a doctor's office with a bunch of sick people, just to get a doctor's note for a reason that doesn't require a doctors visit, sick kids/grandkids, sports injuries, etc.). What about the sodomizer and it's consequences? What about "less expensive" hotels where we can't good sleep? Age 65? Do they understand that there are many illnesses where a person might be able to do an "office job" but they are not capable of exercising the privileges of their Medical Certificate? Is any of this factored into their "perfected formula"? :confused:

I would suggest that a pilot that calls in excessively (by their standards) is a GREAT employee, because they are "doing the right thing" and not putting the company, fellow pilots and the freight in harms way, by doing the WRONG thing (flying sick/fatigued). If you run a business, your most valuable customers are those that complain, because they care enough to let you know what your problems are, so that you can correct them. Of course, I have no delusion management would ever see it this way.

If you are one of those rare people that "never get sick" (I envy you!!) and only use sick leave as a "scheduling tool", then you might have reason to use "great care". Otherwise, do the right thing for you, your family and your fellow pilots, and don't fly sick/fatigued!!

It is a shame people have to die to teach the rest of us hard lessons, especially when we already know what we should do. Think about UPS 1354. Let's not have a similar situation at FedEx.



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busdriver12 05-06-2016 03:23 PM

^^Excellent post, Red Letter, I agree wholeheartedly. Those who are quaking in their shoes about their "report card" need to put on their big boy pants and do the right thing. If you're sick or fatigued, call in sick or fatigued. Worst thing that happens is that you'll have to get a letter from your doctor. Big deal. FedEx does not harass us like some of the other airlines do, at least not anymore. Nobody wants to fly with you when you're sick, and you prolong the misery of being ill or exhausted when you keep flying. I remember during my Capt upgrade way back when, the Vice President of Flight Ops said the #1 priority, is don't crash airplanes. Please don't crash airplanes. And after that, it's to get the freight there on time. Not flying sick or fatigued is part of not crashing airplanes.

Honestly, I haven't been given a hard time about any decision I have made in over 20 years, that I can think of. Then again, I've never missed a trip or shown up late, always scheduled deadheads with plenty of backups, nothing dicey. It's less stressful to work that way (though sometimes unexpected things happen), but for the most part, I think if you play it straight, you won't be spending much time worrying about your "report card".


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