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Old 07-03-2016 | 11:58 AM
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Does anyone know why my baseline and established fare are exactly the same BUT the ticketed fare is almost $200 higher. They ticketed it a couple of weeks ago. I only just now noticed since I am not deviating anyway. If baseline and established are so much lower why is company paying so much higher? Commuters continually get hosed in the drive thru charade of fares. I'm guessing they keep hoping we will all move 😂.
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Old 07-03-2016 | 02:07 PM
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Does anyone know why my baseline and established fare are exactly the same BUT the ticketed fare is almost $200 higher.
There must have been another "line in the sand" when the NC said - "How about making the bank = actual ticket price".

It makes much more sense to come up with a convoluted system of price checks with the one you actually get being contingent on when you decide to deviate. Must have been negotiated on the same day they came up with the $110K sick leave option.
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Old 07-03-2016 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kc10/c130
Does anyone know why my baseline and established fare are exactly the same BUT the ticketed fare is almost $200 higher. They ticketed it a couple of weeks ago. I only just now noticed since I am not deviating anyway. If baseline and established are so much lower why is company paying so much higher? Commuters continually get hosed in the drive thru charade of fares. I'm guessing they keep hoping we will all move 😂.
Make sure your union rep knows this. Ask why it is so. It could be a mistake on the company's part. Or we indeed could have yet another loophole in the plain language contract. (sarcasm)
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Old 07-03-2016 | 05:41 PM
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Make sure your union rep knows this. Ask why it is so. It could be a mistake on the company's part. Or we indeed could have yet another loophole in the plain language contract. (sarcasm)
Thanks, I will. Even though I am in domicile I was a commuter for long enough to know when to raise the BS flag. Then again, calling my union rep never occurred to me. Thanks for the good advice, or is it advise.... I can't ever remember.
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Old 07-04-2016 | 10:52 AM
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If it means anything, I just found a trip where the established and baseline fare is lower than the ticket they purchased for me.

Hmmmmmm
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Old 07-04-2016 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by kc10/c130

Does anyone know why my baseline and established fare are exactly the same BUT the ticketed fare is almost $200 higher. They ticketed it a couple of weeks ago. I only just now noticed since I am not deviating anyway. If baseline and established are so much lower why is company paying so much higher? Commuters continually get hosed in the drive thru charade of fares. I'm guessing they keep hoping we will all move 😂.


You're right, it's a charade, as was the presentation of this scheme during road shows and videos.

BREAKING NEWS: Accepted Fares is NOT "FIXED"!

The "Baseline Fare" and the "Established Fare" are both Fare QUOTES and have nothing to do with what The Company actually PAYS for a ticket.

The Baseline Fare is a quote obtained no earlier than 7 days before and no later than 2 days after the publication of the bid period package.

The Established Fare is a quote obtained after the publishing of the First Officer bid awards and no later than the 14 days prior to the scheduled departure of the commercial deadhead (except where less than 14 days remain).

Depending on when the deadhead occurs in the month, the Baseline Fare and Established Fare can be established long before the ticket is actually purchased, and the actual cost has no effect on either of the quotes, and no benefit to the pilot's deviation bank.

For example, look at a trip that has a commercial deadhead in late July. The Company could have determined the Baseline Fare as early as May 26th (up to 7 days prior to the publishing of the July bid period package, which occurred on June 2nd). The Company could have determined the Established Fare as early as June 8th (as soon as the First Officer bid awards were published on June 8th -- 14 days prior is the latest, not the earliest, or even the target).

Of course there is no deadline published regarding the actual purchase of the ticket. However, to address your specific example, The Company could then purchase a ticket on July 3 for a commercial deadhead occurring 2 weeks later, and the actual cost will likely be greater than the quotes received almost a month and six weeks prior. In the case of deadheads at the end of a bid month, the fare quotes could be as much as 8 and 10 weeks old.


Anybody who thought the "Accepted Fares" was fixed is bound to be disappointed.






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Old 07-04-2016 | 05:11 PM
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Tony is spot on!

I have a carryover DDH trip starting Jul 1 and ending Aug 5

Have not deviated, and Global Travel has not booked or purchased either ticket

Baseline fare from bidpack

Established fare is identical with a date/time step of Jun 8

53 days prior to departure date

I'll wait to deviate until after they purchase the tickets to gather the data
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Old 07-04-2016 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DLax85
Tony is spot on!

I have a carryover DDH trip starting Jul 1 and ending Aug 5

Have not deviated, and Global Travel has not booked or purchased either ticket

Baseline fare from bidpack

Established fare is identical with a date/time step of Jun 8

53 days prior to departure date

I'll wait to deviate until after they purchase the tickets to gather the data
That's a pretty long trip!!!
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Old 07-04-2016 | 06:48 PM
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At least it's a single departure line....
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Old 07-04-2016 | 08:18 PM
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Typo....Jul 31 - Aug 5

Now, let's refocus on the issue at hand

I recall being informed at a hub turn mtg that this improvement meant the company would adjust the accepted fare higher if, when the ticket was "purchased" for the first time, it was actually higher.

It appears those marketing the TA may have been confused

Disappointing
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