<heavy sigh>

Every time you post, I want to begin my reply with, "You're an idiot." Then I remember that it's APC, and there's a Terms of Service that we have to comply with, and I don't want to have my post edited or removed, and I don't want to earn penalty points for insulting an idiot. So, I respond civilly. I must thank my seven children for teaching me the patience it takes to deal with you.

I, too, appreciate the value of a union, and a contract, and federal law to offer some degree of protection. I do NOT however have to like every person who works for the union and every action they take. Your allegiance is not just to ALPA, but the particular people who are running the offices on Kirby. It's almost like you work in an office down the hall from them.



Nice try, but no. The topic is NOT "deviation and deadhead language." Remember?You responded:The reason you can't cite the Section and Paragraph of the CBA which covers airline and hotel loyalty programs is because it does not exist.



It wasn't a policy manual, it was the Flight Crew Handbook. Meet me at the location of your choice in Memphis and I'll share my copy with you.


"ALPA 1" negotiated a TA which was rejected by the membership, so nobody "flew under it."

We're not talking about deviation language and deadhead language, we're talking about airline and hotel loyalty programs, and how to optimize the use thereof. You claimed the ALPA volunteers earned those perks. I asked you to point us to the contract provision, and you did not. You claimed ALPA defended against attacks on the perks and won grievances. I asked you to point to such a grievance. All you've listed here are grievances about deviation banks, accepted fares, and lie flat seats. Oops.


I still want to say, "You're an idiot."

There was no 2009 agreement.

Every Collective Bargaining
is on the Negotiating Committee page, including the 1999 FPA contract.

None of them say a whisper about airline or hotel loyalty programs.


You mean you walked down the hall and asked someone on Grievance or Contract Enforcement? I really hope you didn't waste someone's time by using the DART system -- it's intended for pilots who have problems and need help, or want to report something that needs the attention of those ALPA volunteers. Trying to save face on APC Forums is not what the DART program is intended for.

I'll stop quoting from this point on in order to make this easier to read, but I'm starting with the list of grievances you provided, and I'm adding the title of the grievance and disposition in red.

Year/Grievance Number

2008/08-15 - Accepted Fares (Settled 10/14/13)

2012/12-02 - Denial of Deviation Bank for Removed Trip (No dates noted)

2013/13-03 - Not Leaving on a Jet Plane (No decision, no appeal, no arbitration, no settlement)

2013/13-05 - Denial of Deviation Bank After Workman's Compensable Injury (Settled 6/21/13)

2015/15-14 - Denial of Revised Accepted Fare (withdrawn by grievant 8/10/16)

2016/16-01 - Flat Bed Seat Topples Deviation Rights and Bank Credit (grievance denied 12/27/17)

2017/17-09 - Deadhead Greater Than 16 Hours (granted 3/6/18)

2018/18-05 - Purchase of Higher Class of Service Tickets (settled, date not listed)

2019/19-10 - Low Baseline and Established Fares (settlement discussions)

2019/19-13 - FDA Repositioning Ticket for Spouse (settled, date not listed)

2020/20-07 - Business necessity DH (hearing remains open)

2020/20-15 - Deviation Bank Credit (decided (against, obviously) 5/28/21, Appeal deadline 9/30/21)


Thank you for the list of grievances that have nothing to do with airline or hotel loyalty programs. It seems like if you wanted to pick a topic for such a list, you'd pick one where we've had more success. By the way, what did that "member of the negotiations committee" who you referenced above have to say about 16-01? They got cute with the name for that grievance, but the outcome wasn't so cute, was it? In fact, it turned out just like the pilots in the audience at the 2015 TA roadshows said it would. Contrary to the assurances given members by the Negotiating Committee Chairman, the TA language (which became the CBA language) contradicted his description of the benefit. The "stupid pilots in the audience" were right all along. Apparently, we can read!


<heavy sigh>






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Anyone able to share this?

 

No.

Security breach.

 

Random question. For jackets, I was given a Horace Small jacket as part of the new hire uniform package. Looking on PFC I see there is a Karbon jacket that looks less bulky. Are there multiple kinds of jackets we are allowed to wear?

 

4 jackets at FDX. The one you mentioned you were issued, the blouse(blazer), Karbon and the leather. You can use your 2022 uniform allowance to get the Karbon come Jan 1.

 

I also want the Karbon jacket. Lady at the uniform shop a few weeks ago said wait until Jan to order and we can use our 2022 uniform allowance on it. Much cheaper that way.

 

Awesome, thanks for the pro tip on getting the Karbon in '22!

 

So how do you apply to FedEx? I thought it was through their careers website. I did a search for pilot and it returned no results. Thanks.

 

https://careers.fedex.com/pilot

 

Why are you wanting to leave United? I’d talk to some people here before you make that move.


https://careers.fedex.com/pilot