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Old 07-10-2015, 04:06 AM   #1  
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Default FedEx Current vs Delta TA

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These facts may have been shared, but I just wanted to bring to light some of the lies and deceptions we may be falling for. FedEx pilots easily earn 30-40% more overall compensation than our TA and they're in negotiations holding out for a proper TA.

The following numbers are pulled from the ALPA distributed packet titled "DELTA PILOTS' CONTRACT COMPARISON 2015" and from FedEx pilots themselves. The vacation accrual/pay and daily guarantee are pulled from the ALPA 2015 contract comparison packet. I merely applied the math to show the disparity. The vacation slide and health insurance comes from FedEx pilots themselves.

The equipment pay rates are also in the contract comparison, just cleverly buried and somewhat omitted. ALPA did reference FedEX pay banding, but that is as far as they went. They left out the fact that the 777, MD11, MD10, A300, A310, AND 767 pilots ALL make what the 777 pilots make. So, roughly 75% of their pilot group earn 777 rates. ALPA shows the FedEx rates on the 777 table/graph but makes no mention of them on the 767-400/A330 or 767 table/graphs. They could have included the MD11 and A300 with a comparison to the 767-400 and A330 but they didn't. And again, ALPA completely omitted FedEx on the 767 table/graph. Also, buried under the 777 pay table is a small footnote indicating that FedEx pilots last pay increase was 3/01/2012...i.e. they're long overdue for a raise. FedEx pension and "B" fund is listed in the contract comparison, but again, ALPA presents no value on that. Here are a few examples:

VACATION

FedEx maxes out at 36 days vacation, DAL 35
FedEx 6 hours per day for 216 hours per year
DAL 3.5 hours per day for 122.5 hours per year
FedEx pilots earn 93.5 hours per year additional vacation pay
If a DAL pilot credits 80 per month, that equals 960 hours per year.
So, a FedEx pilot earns roughly 10% more compensation per year in vacation pay alone.

DAILY PAY/CREDIT

FedEx earns 6 hours MINIMUM per day.
DAL pilots receive 5:15 average daily guarantee.
FedEx pilots make roughly 15% more per day guarantee.
If a DAL pilot works 16 days a month, at 5:15 ADG, he'll earn 84 hours of pay.
If a FedEx pilot works the same 16 days, they'll earn 96 hours, or an additional 144 hours per year; or, they'll have to work less days to earn the same DAL 84 hours.

OTHER

FedEx pilots can slide vacation to knock out trips with pay.
FedEx pilots health insurances is a fraction of what ours costs and they only have a $20 copay, NO deductible.
FedEx 777 captains make a little less than DAL captains only because they've been in negotiations for a few years. You can all but guarantee their rates will at least match an probably exceed ours. Now, ALPA was quick to point out FedEx 777 rates compared to DAL 777 rates. In ALPA's typical 'half truth' presentation, they left out a few important FedEx pay rates. Namely:

FedEx MD11 compare to DAL A330
FedEx A300/A310 compare to DAL 767-400
FedEx 767 compare to DAL 767

Why omit these, because FedEx MD11, MD10, A300, A310, and 767 pilots all make the same as their 777 pilots (which I'm confident will be more than our 777 pilots). How much do our 767 pilots make...hmmm...757 pay last I checked. How does DAL 767-400, A330, and 767 pay compare to the 777? Apparently an oversight by ALPA.

How's that code share and joint venture at FedEx? None. I don't see nearly 50% of their domestic freight flown on outsource carriers or anyone else flying their freight over seas. (During the Christmas rush, FedEx will utilize some Kalitta or other aircraft to handle the surplus volume of which the FedEx pilots receive large compensation as if they flew it themselves, no three years of non-compliance by the company only to have them re-write the rules in their favor like DAL)

There's another nugget of compensation FedEx guys receive that ALPA like to gloss over...A FULL PENSION! And, if thats not enough, a "B" fund as well. Why don't we start there....re-instate my pension and then start the negotiations. How much is that pension worth ALPA????

The value of the FedEx pilots work rules, rigs, vacation compensation, equipment banding to the highest paid piece of equipment narrow body/wide body, AND PENSION so far exceed our contract it's staggering. Plus, they're standing firm in their negotiations. Undoubtedly, they will get our pay rates and probably exceed them with back pay to boot.

Their pension alone dwarfs our concessionary TA.

I could go on an on, but with my blood pressure rising and with my inability to utilize my sick time if this TA passes, I'd best not.

PLEASE continue to get the facts out and allow people to see through these ALPA "half truths" and "look at this shiny object over here" propaganda.
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Old 07-10-2015, 04:09 AM   #2  
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Delta TA vacation max: 122:30 max

FedEx 216 hours

Quality of life? What's that?

The bankruptcy vacation must stay in place because management said so. Now get back to work.

Work, work, work, work, work, work
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Thanks for posting this.
This TA falls short of exceeding the FedEx Contract now. I can't imagine how the comparison once FedEx gets a new contract
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An oversimplification in many regards. The dynamics of Fedex pilot scheduling and the total contractual pay rules are extremely complex. The simple fact is that the gross erosion of FDX work rules under the "Optimizer" over the last 10+ years (which in my personal opinion rises well above the level of deliberate physical and mental abuse of pilot employees), is now filling body bags with Fedex pilots on a regular basis. Ask Fedex how many of it's pilots went to bed in a hotel and never woke up in recent years, or about the many pilot suicides. Many years ago I chose Fedex over the option to go to Delta. I would not make that same career decision today for scheduling related health reasons, and I never recommend a career at Fedex to any pilot anymore, although virtually none at 2nd line carriers ever express an interest anymore anyway.
Example: Think about being sent to work on Tuesday at 2am for a 6 or 7 hour shift, then again at 7pm that same night for a 6 hour shift, and then again the very next afternoon on Wednesday at 2pm for a 6 hour shift. That's reporting for GRAVEYARD shift, NIGHT shift, and DAY shift, in a 36 hour period and maybe only making about 9 hours pay for 3 different work duty periods while destroying your health. This happens FREQUENTLY in Secondary and other Lines. What other employer does that to their employees and gets away with it?
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An oversimplification in many regards. The dynamics of Fedex pilot scheduling and the total contractual pay rules are extremely complex. The simple fact is that the gross erosion of FDX work rules under the "Optimizer" over the last 10+ years (which in my personal opinion rises well above the level of deliberate physical and mental abuse of pilot employees), is now filling body bags with Fedex pilots on a regular basis. Ask Fedex how many of it's pilots went to bed in a hotel and never woke up in recent years, or about the many pilot suicides.
Suicides? Many of them? I haven't heard of a one. Perhaps you could PM me who these many pilot suicides are.

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Many years ago I chose Fedex over the option to go to Delta. I would not make that same career decision today for scheduling related health reasons, and I never recommend a career at Fedex to any pilot anymore, although virtually none at 2nd line carriers ever express an interest anymore anyway.
Example: Think about being sent to work on Tuesday at 2am for a 6 or 7 hour shift, then again at 7pm that same night for a 6 hour shift, and then again the very next afternoon on Wednesday at 2pm for a 6 hour shift. That's reporting for GRAVEYARD shift, NIGHT shift, and DAY shift, in a 36 hour period and maybe only making about 9 hours pay for 3 different work duty periods while destroying your health. This happens FREQUENTLY in Secondary and other Lines. What other employer does that to their employees and gets away with it?
You are either exaggerating, or not a FedEx pilot. We have some ugly pairings, but in twenty years, I've never seen a pairing like you describe, that pays only 9 hours, nor works as you describe. And you say this happens frequently?

Though we have some ugly trips at FedEx, one lovely thing we have is an active trip trading system with the computer. If it's ugly, and you don't want to fly it, if staffing is good enough, you can drop it. You can often trade it for something better. In twenty years, I have never flown a trip like you have described, and I can only think of a few that I haven't been able to drop or trade off of.

I find it curious that this is your very first post. We have had a number of first time posters posting odd things in our TA forum in the last couple of days. Wonder why.
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Delta TA vacation max: 122:30 max

FedEx 216 hours

Quality of life? What's that?

The bankruptcy vacation must stay in place because management said so. Now get back to work.

Work, work, work, work, work, work
How many hours of pay does a typical day of work pay at Delta? At FedEx, our typical day pays 6 hours, and our max vacation is 36 days. Just trying to compare apples to apples, as if your normal flight day pays much lower, it changes the comparison.
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An oversimplification in many regards. The dynamics of Fedex pilot scheduling and the total contractual pay rules are extremely complex. The simple fact is that the gross erosion of FDX work rules under the "Optimizer" over the last 10+ years (which in my personal opinion rises well above the level of deliberate physical and mental abuse of pilot employees), is now filling body bags with Fedex pilots on a regular basis. Ask Fedex how many of it's pilots went to bed in a hotel and never woke up in recent years, or about the many pilot suicides. Many years ago I chose Fedex over the option to go to Delta. I would not make that same career decision today for scheduling related health reasons, and I never recommend a career at Fedex to any pilot anymore, although virtually none at 2nd line carriers ever express an interest anymore anyway.
Example: Think about being sent to work on Tuesday at 2am for a 6 or 7 hour shift, then again at 7pm that same night for a 6 hour shift, and then again the very next afternoon on Wednesday at 2pm for a 6 hour shift. That's reporting for GRAVEYARD shift, NIGHT shift, and DAY shift, in a 36 hour period and maybe only making about 9 hours pay for 3 different work duty periods while destroying your health. This happens FREQUENTLY in Secondary and other Lines. What other employer does that to their employees and gets away with it?
My goodness Curly! You certainly get around!!!!
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How many hours of pay does a typical day of work pay at Delta? At FedEx, our typical day pays 6 hours, and our max vacation is 36 days. Just trying to compare apples to apples, as if your normal flight day pays much lower, it changes the comparison.
Our duty period average pays 5:15 (mostly but not always a 5:15 day) and vacation is worth 3:15. It's not complex.
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Our duty period average pays 5:15 (mostly but not always a 5:15 day) and vacation is worth 3:15. It's not complex.
And how about our bankruptcy medical?

Delta is making billions and billions and billions. We need to make major strides in this area. An area untouched in the failed TA.
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Our duty period average pays 5:15 (mostly but not always a 5:15 day) and vacation is worth 3:15. It's not complex.
I should have read the initial post more carefully. But that's a little odd, vacation only pays about 62% of your average duty period? So when I put that in my calculator, it looks like they are only paying you about 21.6 full days of vacation at the max. Three weeks, that's not right.

Though with the type of trips that some of us fly, we might need our vacation a lot more than you guys!
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