QOL w/ Night Hub Turns
02-07-2017 | 09:59 PM
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Avoided hub turns generally for 13 years with good success trading trips and working my schedule. It can be done, and you don't need to move to MEM to do it. However, if you LIKE IND, ANC, or MEM then it certainly is an option.
I sort of surrendered and moved to domicile, just not MEM. The FDA life isn't for everyone but sort of combines the "living in base" with "long international layover..."
Only warning is that if your family likes it prepare to sell off all your ****. You may be there a while... I am now condemned to traveling across the ocean to ski the rockies or visit family, but the goods outweigh the bads in our case. YMMV. Several HKG and CGN slots should be opening up if interested.
Oh..and I still despise getting in at midnight and trying to wake up at 2-3 to launch again. NEVER learned to like it. A trip than ends at 0200 or starts at 0400 is fine for me, but the "turn" part of hub-turn is always miserable to me. I work hard to bid around it, and when I can't I break out a calculator and figure out how long I'd have to work in the AF or another job to make the money I'm making that morning. Then I get my coffee, say a little prayer of thanks, and get to work...
I sort of surrendered and moved to domicile, just not MEM. The FDA life isn't for everyone but sort of combines the "living in base" with "long international layover..."
Only warning is that if your family likes it prepare to sell off all your ****. You may be there a while... I am now condemned to traveling across the ocean to ski the rockies or visit family, but the goods outweigh the bads in our case. YMMV. Several HKG and CGN slots should be opening up if interested.
Oh..and I still despise getting in at midnight and trying to wake up at 2-3 to launch again. NEVER learned to like it. A trip than ends at 0200 or starts at 0400 is fine for me, but the "turn" part of hub-turn is always miserable to me. I work hard to bid around it, and when I can't I break out a calculator and figure out how long I'd have to work in the AF or another job to make the money I'm making that morning. Then I get my coffee, say a little prayer of thanks, and get to work...
02-08-2017 | 03:00 AM
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Ran into a friend a few months back that did CGN. He is now in HKG. He said reserve in CGN went senior and he couldn't touch it near the bottom of the FO list when he was there.
02-08-2017 | 04:27 AM
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Back to the original question from the OP; Any night you have to stay up all night after an extended period of off days is going to be tough. Usually it is Monday PM/Tuesday AM due to system form, but it could be any night. As someone else said, you don't hear a lot of complaining, more likely, you'll just experience the quite of two pilots digging deeper into fatigue as they fly towards the end of their duty day. I don't think anyone really enjoys it, but night flying does offer similar advantages to a driver on the roads at the quietest time of the day, little to no traffic!
02-08-2017 | 04:08 PM
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Avoided hub turns generally for 13 years with good success trading trips and working my schedule. It can be done, and you don't need to move to MEM to do it. However, if you LIKE IND, ANC, or MEM then it certainly is an option.
I sort of surrendered and moved to domicile, just not MEM. The FDA life isn't for everyone but sort of combines the "living in base" with "long international layover..."
Only warning is that if your family likes it prepare to sell off all your ****. You may be there a while... I am now condemned to traveling across the ocean to ski the rockies or visit family, but the goods outweigh the bads in our case. YMMV. Several HKG and CGN slots should be opening up if interested.
Oh..and I still despise getting in at midnight and trying to wake up at 2-3 to launch again. NEVER learned to like it. A trip than ends at 0200 or starts at 0400 is fine for me, but the "turn" part of hub-turn is always miserable to me. I work hard to bid around it, and when I can't I break out a calculator and figure out how long I'd have to work in the AF or another job to make the money I'm making that morning. Then I get my coffee, say a little prayer of thanks, and get to work...
I sort of surrendered and moved to domicile, just not MEM. The FDA life isn't for everyone but sort of combines the "living in base" with "long international layover..."
Only warning is that if your family likes it prepare to sell off all your ****. You may be there a while... I am now condemned to traveling across the ocean to ski the rockies or visit family, but the goods outweigh the bads in our case. YMMV. Several HKG and CGN slots should be opening up if interested.
Oh..and I still despise getting in at midnight and trying to wake up at 2-3 to launch again. NEVER learned to like it. A trip than ends at 0200 or starts at 0400 is fine for me, but the "turn" part of hub-turn is always miserable to me. I work hard to bid around it, and when I can't I break out a calculator and figure out how long I'd have to work in the AF or another job to make the money I'm making that morning. Then I get my coffee, say a little prayer of thanks, and get to work...
02-08-2017 | 05:13 PM
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Yes. You can usually drop r days and pick up extra trips. The 76 is not good for this as open time, to me, appears slim. And if you are a 76 reserve guy you will get called out on a lot of the really crappy 75 trips.
02-09-2017 | 06:35 AM
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02-09-2017 | 06:48 AM
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You can drop reserve days and pickup a trip as mentioned or try to manipulate your first fly preferences to avoid a hub turn. Depending on how short staffed Scheduling is you can be successful with that to avoid hub turning.
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