CFI needs advice
03-12-2007 | 12:42 PM
#21
Che Guevara
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I've struck a C-172 and M20 Mooney. give it a little gas while rolling down the runway and rotate. You can make the 172 rub everytime. Doesn't hurt anything as you can barely feel it. But I've had a few students do it. As for the Mooney. You can strike those on no flap landings easily. On my CFI checkride at the FSDO he gave me a point on the runway to poweroff 180 to. The reported winds was broken so I was eyeballing it and they ended up being about 12kts. So i never used flaps and floated forever trying to make it to the point. Literally I landed on the exact inch and drug the tail doing it. Neither were anything to worry about.
03-12-2007 | 04:33 PM
#22
Flying Farmer
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From: Turbo-props' and John Deere's
Thanks for everyone's input so far. I honestly believe its a cognitive issue with this particular student. His reasoning, judgment, and awareness skills are simply not there. For example, we flew four days ago and tower assigned him a routine taxi clearance to taxi to the runway via taxiway H. We get this clearance 97% of the time. He then proceeds to taxi to a taxiway D at midfield. When I asked him what it was he was doing, he said he was taxiing to taxiway H and points at D. Hopefully after spring break I will be able to schedule a flight for him with the chief instructor. After that, depending on how it goes, we will more than likely sit down with him and have a discussion.
03-13-2007 | 01:52 PM
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2006
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From: Bug Smasher Captain, CFI
I've struck a C-172 and M20 Mooney. give it a little gas while rolling down the runway and rotate. You can make the 172 rub everytime. Doesn't hurt anything as you can barely feel it. But I've had a few students do it. As for the Mooney. You can strike those on no flap landings easily. On my CFI checkride at the FSDO he gave me a point on the runway to poweroff 180 to. The reported winds was broken so I was eyeballing it and they ended up being about 12kts. So i never used flaps and floated forever trying to make it to the point. Literally I landed on the exact inch and drug the tail doing it. Neither were anything to worry about.
03-15-2007 | 10:36 AM
#24
Gets Weekends Off
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I don't know if you are still looking for info on this situation but I feel like dropping my 2 cents in here.
1. Sit the student down, with charts, and go over each type of approach and each type of entry. Have the student state back what he is going to do and when he is going to do it.
2. Get in the sim, but don't have the student fly. You fly. Let the student tell you what to do and you act like an autopilot. Keep doing this until the student doesn't miss a step.
3. In the sim, have the student fly and do everything. Start simple and move into the more complicated. I.E. first approach is an ILS with vectors to final, second is a VOR with vectors to final, third is a VOR with a procedure turn etc.
4. Repeat the same appraoches in the aircraft.
5. Change things up. Go to different, do increasingly more difficult approaches but don't give him more than he can handle. Confidence is his problem and break downs will only hurt that confidence. If he is slightly behind the approach do it until he gets it right, if he digresses go back to an easier approach.
Finally, keep notes of mistakes and discuss them after the flight. No one hears you when they are flying, especially when they are new. They are concentrating on just keeping the aircraft straight and level, remember that is still a work out for them! If for some reason something comes up that is so important that you absolutely can not let it wait until you get on the ground...take the aircraft, then tell the student what he needs to know, ask him to repeat it back to you then give him back the controls and let him demonstrate his new found knowledge.
1. Sit the student down, with charts, and go over each type of approach and each type of entry. Have the student state back what he is going to do and when he is going to do it.
2. Get in the sim, but don't have the student fly. You fly. Let the student tell you what to do and you act like an autopilot. Keep doing this until the student doesn't miss a step.
3. In the sim, have the student fly and do everything. Start simple and move into the more complicated. I.E. first approach is an ILS with vectors to final, second is a VOR with vectors to final, third is a VOR with a procedure turn etc.
4. Repeat the same appraoches in the aircraft.
5. Change things up. Go to different, do increasingly more difficult approaches but don't give him more than he can handle. Confidence is his problem and break downs will only hurt that confidence. If he is slightly behind the approach do it until he gets it right, if he digresses go back to an easier approach.
Finally, keep notes of mistakes and discuss them after the flight. No one hears you when they are flying, especially when they are new. They are concentrating on just keeping the aircraft straight and level, remember that is still a work out for them! If for some reason something comes up that is so important that you absolutely can not let it wait until you get on the ground...take the aircraft, then tell the student what he needs to know, ask him to repeat it back to you then give him back the controls and let him demonstrate his new found knowledge.
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