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Old 03-22-2019, 01:13 AM   #1  
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Hi,
My name is Hamzah and Iím almost 18 years old. Becoming a pilot has been the dream for me since I can remember. Over the past year Iíve been searching the ways of how it can be done.
In your opinion what is the best way to go from zero to a pilot flying for the majors? From A-Z including every single detail thatís going to save me time and money and any recommendations that you figured out after trying out yourself. And I am an American citizen, if thatís going to help you answer the question, since some of the advice would depend on the country I live in.

And please donít mention the military path, as I know it is the best way, but not considering it.

Thank you,
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1. Learn to fly
2. Get an entry level job
3. Get promoted to a job with more responsibility
4. Apply to dream job
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Hi,
My name is Hamzah and Iím almost 18 years old. Becoming a pilot has been the dream for me since I can remember. Over the past year Iíve been searching the ways of how it can be done.
In your opinion what is the best way to go from zero to a pilot flying for the majors? From A-Z including every single detail thatís going to save me time and money and any recommendations that you figured out after trying out yourself. And I am an American citizen, if thatís going to help you answer the question, since some of the advice would depend on the country I live in.

And please donít mention the military path, as I know it is the best way, but not considering it.

Thank you,
Hamzah
This is like the 4th thread you've started asking for the same type of information.

There's no single best way. The best path for you has to do with A LOT of factors.

Have you ever flown before? At the controls, not as a passenger.
What kind of financing/savings do you/your family have?
What are your college plans?
How did you do in High School?
Do you have any medical/criminal/mental health history?
Why do you have such a strong aversion to the military path?
Have you ever worked a regular job before? What have you done?
What are your expectations? How much income do you think you'll make as a pilot and how soon do you think you'll be making it?

Answer these and I'll offer some specific advice for you.
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This is like the 4th thread you've started asking for the same type of information.

There's no single best way. The best path for you has to do with A LOT of factors.

Have you ever flown before? At the controls, not as a passenger.
What kind of financing/savings do you/your family have?
What are your college plans?
How did you do in High School?
Do you have any medical/criminal/mental health history?
Why do you have such a strong aversion to the military path?
Have you ever worked a regular job before? What have you done?
What are your expectations? How much income do you think you'll make as a pilot and how soon do you think you'll be making it?

Answer these and I'll offer some specific advice for you.
Iíve posted three threads previously, which are:

1. BA to work in major airlines?
2. How much should I spend on flight school?
3. Help me find the right flight school.

Youíve said that this is the 4th thread Iíve posted about the same type of information and then started answering my question, so I donít see the logic in that. Anyways.......

I havenít taken the control of a plane.

Iím looking for something good, so letís say I go to a flight school and pay 50k instead of 80k and donít get hired, whatís the point? So I would rather know what my situation will be after completing a certain course. Meaning that money isnít the most important factor, itís what will I do afterwards.

College is part of the question, should I go to college first and then start flight school or go to flight school and get a job at a regional airline and then get an online degree?

I can answer your question ďwhy do you have such aversion from the military path?Ē With Iím just not the type for military, part of it is that I would be involved in ď killing peopleĒ and Iím not the type for military if that makes sense.

I did ok in high school, I always took physics and math.

No medical/criminal/mental health history.

I have worked a normal job.

Being a pilot for me isnít about the money itís about doing what I love, meaning that money isnít my motive behind wanting to become a pilot.

As of the time of how long would it take me, not less than two years. The fast track programs like the ATP one arenít for me.
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Iíve posted three threads previously, which are:

1. BA to work in major airlines?
2. How much should I spend on flight school?
3. Help me find the right flight school.

Youíve said that this is the 4th thread Iíve posted about the same type of information and then started answering my question, so I donít see the logic in that. Anyways.......

I havenít taken the control of a plane.

Iím looking for something good, so letís say I go to a flight school and pay 50k instead of 80k and donít get hired, whatís the point? So I would rather know what my situation will be after completing a certain course. Meaning that money isnít the most important factor, itís what will I do afterwards.

College is part of the question, should I go to college first and then start flight school or go to flight school and get a job at a regional airline and then get an online degree?

I can answer your question ďwhy do you have such aversion from the military path?Ē With Iím just not the type for military, part of it is that I would be involved in ď killing peopleĒ and Iím not the type for military if that makes sense.

I did ok in high school, I always took physics and math.

No medical/criminal/mental health history.

I have worked a normal job.

Being a pilot for me isnít about the money itís about doing what I love, meaning that money isnít my motive behind wanting to become a pilot.

As of the time of how long would it take me, not less than two years. The fast track programs like the ATP one arenít for me.
Your English makes me think you're a foreign national or that at least English is not your first language. This isn't an issue, but your work status will be. Are you a US citizen, can you legally work in the US without a sponsor at this point?

Most of your answers were evasive. Saying that money doesn't matter means you're either not approaching this from a mature adult perspective or that you honestly have no idea how to fund these plans and just hope it'll work itself out. It will if your family is wealthy, it won't otherwise.

Saying you want to do something you love after claiming you've never been at the controls of an aircraft is a major red flag. Go to a local flight school and ask for a 'discovery flight'. Do this now. Like, right now. Leave the computer, get up and go actually fly a plane. Then come back and we can continue this conversation.

Until you've actually flown, please stop posting questions about being a pilot.
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Your English makes me think you're a foreign national or that at least English is not your first language. This isn't an issue, but your work status will be. Are you a US citizen, can you legally work in the US without a sponsor at this point?

Most of your answers were evasive. Saying that money doesn't matter means you're either not approaching this from a mature adult perspective or that you honestly have no idea how to fund these plans and just hope it'll work itself out. It will if your family is wealthy, it won't otherwise.

Saying you want to do something you love after claiming you've never been at the controls of an aircraft is a major red flag. Go to a local flight school and ask for a 'discovery flight'. Do this now. Like, right now. Leave the computer, get up and go actually fly a plane. Then come back and we can continue this conversation.

Until you've actually flown, please stop posting questions about being a pilot.
English isnít my mother language, Iím half American and half middle eastern. I didnít grow up in America, I grew up in Jordan, but I may be moving to America in a couple of months.

Do medicine students go do a surgery to see if they like it or not and then decide if itís for them or not, or they just feel like itís the dream job for them.

I donít have rich parents and you donít have to in order to become a pilot, I know lots of pilots who took loans to pay for flight training. Iím just trying to figure out whatís the acceptable range.

Itís not up to you to tell me to stop asking questions, if you donít like them, just donít answer.
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If you want to eventually fly for a major airline, a college degree is required. The quickest way to that goal is this.

Get all of your ratings through CFII and AMEL. Start instructing and then enroll in college while you're instructing. You'll be building time while you're in college and if it takes you 4 or so years to graduate, you should have enough flight time by then to get on with a regional airline.

Fly for a regional for a few years, and you'll be qualified to work for a major.

Assuming at least a year or more to get all of your ratings, then 4 years of college, then another 4 or 5 at a regional, you're realistically looking at about at least 10 years from start until possibly hired by a major.

There is no quick way to do it or short cuts. You have to have a degree, and you have to have the flight time. Just like there's no way to become a doctor in a couple of years, there's no way to become an airline pilot in a couple of years. An incompetent pilot can kill a lot more people than a doctor.
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If you want to eventually fly for a major airline, a college degree is required. The quickest way to that goal is this.

Get all of your ratings through CFII and AMEL. Start instructing and then enroll in college while you're instructing. You'll be building time while you're in college and if it takes you 4 or so years to graduate, you should have enough flight time by then to get on with a regional airline.

Fly for a regional for a few years, and you'll be qualified to work for a major.

Assuming at least a year or more to get all of your ratings, then 4 years of college, then another 4 or 5 at a regional, you're realistically looking at about at least 10 years from start until possibly hired by a major.

There is no quick way to do it or short cuts. You have to have a degree, and you have to have the flight time. Just like there's no way to become a doctor in a couple of years, there's no way to become an airline pilot in a couple of years. An incompetent pilot can kill a lot more people than a doctor.
Thanks for the answer!
Do you advise me to get an online degree or a normal college degree?
Aslo, can you tell me what you think about this program of a flight school located in Snohomish: https://www.snohomishflying.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/US-Professional-Course-Costs-April-2019.pdf
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Thanks for the answer!
Do you advise me to get an online degree or a normal college degree?
Aslo, can you tell me what you think about this program of a flight school located in Snohomish: https://www.snohomishflying.com/wp-c...April-2019.pdf
I don't really know if they prefer one over the other, but maybe someone with human resources experience can answer that.

I looked at the flight school costs, and $54k for your ratings sounds reasonable. It will cost more than that, because that's the minimum number of hours, and no one does it in the minimum. And you'll still have to get your CFII.
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Do medicine students go do a surgery to see if they like it or not and then decide if itís for them or not, or they just feel like itís the dream job for them.
Actually, the doctors I knew well did precisely that, and because the scope of medicine was wide enough that one could easily be a doctor without being a surgeon, those who had an aversion to surgery simply went into internal medicine or pediatrics or psychiatry or something where they let others do the cutting. Being a pilot, on the other hand, means you really do have to pilot an airplane. Your comparison is apples to oranges.

At the present time you donít really have the insight to know if being a pilot is right for you or not. As a previous poster suggested, take a discovery flight or similar to start developing adequate understanding and insight into the CAREER to see if you wish to pursue it (and perhaps determine if you have an aptitude for it) BEFORE expending vast amounts of borrowed resources on a career path you might find you neither like nor are particularly good at.

THAT is the advice most of us would give and if that sounds to directive to you Iím sorry, but advice is by its very nature directive.

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