"'Think outside the box' What exactly does that mean?"

I know exactly what it means. And the implications. It means having the seasoning/experience/background to make the right decision in a situation you weren't specifically trained for or have never seen.

"Various outlandish scenarios - Don't airlines cover that in their training programs?"

No. Experience/background helps to fill in the blanks, though. There is a big difference between what the FAA needs to see in training and how the real world works.

Again. I have no problem with ATP. It's the 90 day program and moving straight into being a CFI, then moving straight into a jet after 200 hours, that I have a problem with. I would rather see a more experienced/seasoned pilot in the seat. With the ATP program, you never leave the "academy/training" enviornment to experience the real world. I don't think that's a good thing.

So do I...It means nothing...No such thing as 'thinking outside the box.' Its a pithy line to throw out at a board meeting and little else. Please tell me you have something more than 'your inexperience is showing' or 'he's only a PPL.' Those are getting old and your not defending your position well.

How many thousands of hours do RJs fly in a month w/out accident / incident. How many JAL planes are out there w/ 0 to airline FOs that went thru accelerated airline training programs?

Experience / background can be gained once flying the line as a FO at a regional. Right? Why subject yourself to being a CFI spending your days ripping people off when what you need is airline flying experience?

You do leave the academy/training environment once you're hired at a regional. As an FO your a required crew-member. Despite your experience level you're their to learn. Even as a 10K+ hour Captain you are still learning - right? Airline flying as an FO is your experience / background building. How does being a CFI get you prepared for the airlines?

The european / asian training model of taking 0 hour pilots to 121 FO qualifications is the future and I'm going to be a part of it.

There is no need to waste time working as a CFI, pipe-line patrol, traffic-watch, etc...

-LAFF
-LAFF

I can do better than that post. A lot of mistakes in it. This is getting my blood pressure up...

-LAFF

LAFF, don't go to PAS. You won't appreciate learning beyond PTS standards. With your attitude and one track mindedness, they're too good for you. There's my pitch for ATP.

attitude and one track mindedness = persistence.

-LAFF

Wow LAFF, you're quick. As soon as I posted I decided to edit out "You're lack of experience is showing, LAFF" as being unnecessarily antagonistic.

But you caught it.

Nice job.

Anyways, considering your background, I don't know how you'd know squat about 121 training and what is, and isn't, covered, and how that plays out in real world "outside the box" situations.

More like ignorance.

There you go projecting again... hats wrong - all the hair dressers in town already dating other fighter pilots?

-LAFF

I know one thing...ATPs career program prepares students to pass 121 training. In the recent past many of those students have less than 1000 hrs TT. The facts speak for ATPs program.

There you go again with the outside the box situations...

-LAFF

So why exactly is being a CFI a waste of time? Why is check hauling a waste? Why is traffic watch a waste? Enlighten me please.