I think I found a good thing...
06-10-2007, 06:24 PM
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I think I found a good thing...
Hi everybody,
I have been looking around for a good school for a few months now.
I've seen the ATP program, seems ok, but not enough total hours at the end of the 90 day fast track to do anything with, and the rest of the big "academys" are all pretty much the same as far as being over priced and set up to get you in and out in as little time possible. Long story short I found a place close to where I live in Los Angeles. The program breaks down like this...
zero, all the way to 1500 hours and an Airline Transport Pilot license in 27 to 30 months - guaranteed - This will include eight different licenses and 500 to 600 hours of multiengine time, of which 500 will be in a heavy turboprop twin engine cargo-airline plane in real world environment.
It is divided into three parts:
Phase one
basic training, giving the student all the required ratings and licenses to become a Commercial Multiengine Pilot and Certified Flight Instructor for Primary, and Instrument.
Phase two
Is the actual internship/training, through which the student builds his/her experience and confidence as PIC, teaching other students in their initial training, and attending mandatory training seminars held by the Chief instructor or his delegates, (Airline interview preparation, career counseling, advanced training techniques, CRM, Turboprop bridge program etc.).
Phase three
Will be a Graduation Grant of 500 hours of training as SIC on a Twin-Engine Turboprop Cargo airplane (Shorts 360, Metroliner, BE-200, BE-1900 or BE-99), in "Real World Environment" with one of our contracted cargo airlines. This will be followed by preparation and achievement of the US Airline Transport Pilot License (FAA-ATPL) at which point the course will be considered ended.
I have no Idea if 500 hours of SIC will really do anything for me, but at least it adds to my total hrs in the air. I would have to call the school for more detail about what they pay the flight instructors while building the 1000hrs. It would be nice to be able to just instruct for a while if I could make a decent living... because ANYTHING is better than what I do now making around $15 an hour, plus I have always dreamed of becoming a pilot (fixed wing and rotary). I will be using the G.I. Bill to offset around 60% of the cost. The rest will be loans, grants or whatever else is available.
I really need some advise.
does this seem like a good program?
will I have enough flight time/experience to at least get a decent paying job as a flight instructor?
What does the job outlook look like for pilots with these qualifications.
Thanks in advance for any help...
I have been looking around for a good school for a few months now.
I've seen the ATP program, seems ok, but not enough total hours at the end of the 90 day fast track to do anything with, and the rest of the big "academys" are all pretty much the same as far as being over priced and set up to get you in and out in as little time possible. Long story short I found a place close to where I live in Los Angeles. The program breaks down like this...
zero, all the way to 1500 hours and an Airline Transport Pilot license in 27 to 30 months - guaranteed - This will include eight different licenses and 500 to 600 hours of multiengine time, of which 500 will be in a heavy turboprop twin engine cargo-airline plane in real world environment.
It is divided into three parts:
Phase one
basic training, giving the student all the required ratings and licenses to become a Commercial Multiengine Pilot and Certified Flight Instructor for Primary, and Instrument.
Phase two
Is the actual internship/training, through which the student builds his/her experience and confidence as PIC, teaching other students in their initial training, and attending mandatory training seminars held by the Chief instructor or his delegates, (Airline interview preparation, career counseling, advanced training techniques, CRM, Turboprop bridge program etc.).
Phase three
Will be a Graduation Grant of 500 hours of training as SIC on a Twin-Engine Turboprop Cargo airplane (Shorts 360, Metroliner, BE-200, BE-1900 or BE-99), in "Real World Environment" with one of our contracted cargo airlines. This will be followed by preparation and achievement of the US Airline Transport Pilot License (FAA-ATPL) at which point the course will be considered ended.
The guaranteed total number of hours achieved during this program will be 1500. The time required for the completion of the program will be approximately 27 to 30 months (an average of 55 hours of flight time a month). The course includes:
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I have no Idea if 500 hours of SIC will really do anything for me, but at least it adds to my total hrs in the air. I would have to call the school for more detail about what they pay the flight instructors while building the 1000hrs. It would be nice to be able to just instruct for a while if I could make a decent living... because ANYTHING is better than what I do now making around $15 an hour, plus I have always dreamed of becoming a pilot (fixed wing and rotary). I will be using the G.I. Bill to offset around 60% of the cost. The rest will be loans, grants or whatever else is available.
I really need some advise.
does this seem like a good program?
will I have enough flight time/experience to at least get a decent paying job as a flight instructor?
What does the job outlook look like for pilots with these qualifications.
Thanks in advance for any help...
06-10-2007, 06:31 PM
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Will be a Graduation Grant of 500 hours of training as SIC on a Twin-Engine Turboprop Cargo airplane (Shorts 360, Metroliner, BE-200, BE-1900 or BE-99), in "Real World Environment" with one of our contracted cargo airlines. This will be followed by preparation and achievement of the US Airline Transport Pilot License (FAA-ATPL) at which point the course will be considered ended.
Part 2 sounds like you might not get paid either.
In the end, sounds like you'll be working ("training") but not getting paid.
EDIT: http://rainbowair.com/academy_ptip.htm if anyone wants to see the site.
06-10-2007, 06:45 PM
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Pardon me, i'm not spewing out useless information. Heres what I suggest, don't spend $62000+ getting your ATP over 2 and a half years. Go to ATP, do your PPL in 60 days, Carreer pilot program in 90, thats 5 months. Train for a few months at ATP (maybe 3 months), build up couple hundred hours Multi and then get hured by a regional.
You do realize that all that time your gaining at Rainbow Air is just you working for zip, ATP at least pays you, plus you could be working at a regional in 10 months easily.
You do realize that all that time your gaining at Rainbow Air is just you working for zip, ATP at least pays you, plus you could be working at a regional in 10 months easily.
06-10-2007, 07:08 PM
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Thanks RJ and de727,
but how do we know that rainbow air dosn't pay? If they don't, then that is a serious problem.
and I will get my CFII if I do go the rainbow route and be working up 1000hrs for about the same price as ATP.
whats the difference?
but how do we know that rainbow air dosn't pay? If they don't, then that is a serious problem.
and I will get my CFII if I do go the rainbow route and be working up 1000hrs for about the same price as ATP.
whats the difference?
06-10-2007, 07:26 PM
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Those guys are right. That place sounds like one of those golden scams. Flight schools are famous for them. They make it sound like a great gig, but it's far from the truth.
If you want to get done as fast as possible, take their advice and go to www.allatps.com; spend $40,000 and then flight instruct for a while to build multi time.
You can get hired by a regional airline with around 500TT and 100 multi these days and they will give you your ATP certificate for free when you're ready to upgrade. You'll still probably save $20,000 and at least one year off of that program you found.
If you want to get done as fast as possible, take their advice and go to www.allatps.com; spend $40,000 and then flight instruct for a while to build multi time.
You can get hired by a regional airline with around 500TT and 100 multi these days and they will give you your ATP certificate for free when you're ready to upgrade. You'll still probably save $20,000 and at least one year off of that program you found.
06-10-2007, 08:05 PM
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Thanks daytona,
so I'm gathering that ATP is most likely to be the best place to go for good instruction, experience, price and timeframe.
I am a little worried about feeling like I'm being run through a production line, and not getting a very personalized experience though.
so I'm gathering that ATP is most likely to be the best place to go for good instruction, experience, price and timeframe.
I am a little worried about feeling like I'm being run through a production line, and not getting a very personalized experience though.
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