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06-12-2007 | 10:55 AM
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Yeah I did. But I don't think any other flight school can compare with ATP on the ME time for the Price.... The next in line is 100Hrs of ME and it's higher. ATP you'll get 140ME hrs and It's CHEAPER and Quicker...... And there's no Mom and Pop operation or FBO that could do that without shooting their self in the foot???
06-12-2007 | 12:19 PM
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06-12-2007 | 12:21 PM
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06-12-2007 | 11:48 PM
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I'm curious as to what's going to happen when all the 250 hour ATP/RAA/DCA wonders eventually upgrade to the big chair on the left.
To the OP, give Slice and De727ups' opinions a little more weight than some 172 driver. These guys have been around quite a long time, and know what they're talking about.
As for ATP- they're just mediocre in my book. I had a chance to fly with a few of their grads who weren't hired as CFIs (read the fine print VERY carefully), and had to do some aircraft checkouts for them. IMHO- ATP teaches you to pass a check ride, plain and simple. While these guys weren't a danger to the flying public per se, it was very difficult to get them to think out of the box or deal with various outlandish scenarios. But that was just my observation from a few years ago.
Good luck with your flight training!!
To the OP, give Slice and De727ups' opinions a little more weight than some 172 driver. These guys have been around quite a long time, and know what they're talking about.
As for ATP- they're just mediocre in my book. I had a chance to fly with a few of their grads who weren't hired as CFIs (read the fine print VERY carefully), and had to do some aircraft checkouts for them. IMHO- ATP teaches you to pass a check ride, plain and simple. While these guys weren't a danger to the flying public per se, it was very difficult to get them to think out of the box or deal with various outlandish scenarios. But that was just my observation from a few years ago.
Good luck with your flight training!!
06-13-2007 | 07:38 AM
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As far as ATP students being mediocre, ANY pilot, no matter where they are trained can be mediocre.
It's been my experience that whether you train at an FBO or a pilot factory, what you get out of it is what you put into it. I did my private at an FBO, and most of what I learned was self-study. My instructor did not require me to go the extra mile, I was simply taught the maneuevers I needed to know for the checkride. Everything else I did was on my own. Now that I am at ATP, it's the same. I'll get out of it what I put into it. Self study and understanding is important to me, I'm not here just to pass the checkride and slide by at the bare minimums. I'm here to learn, study my butt off, and be one heck of a pilot. Will ATP make me that? Nope. I WILL MAKE ME THAT. ATP is just providing the structure and foundation, I'm doing the grunt work.
Sure, there are some people out there that just strive to be mediocre - but you can't say that it's just because they go to ATP/DCA/RAA etc. As for me, when I upgrade - it's gonna be RAD. And I WILL be a great Captain because I *want* to be, not because of how fast I can get there or because I'm an "ATP wonder...."
It's been my experience that whether you train at an FBO or a pilot factory, what you get out of it is what you put into it. I did my private at an FBO, and most of what I learned was self-study. My instructor did not require me to go the extra mile, I was simply taught the maneuevers I needed to know for the checkride. Everything else I did was on my own. Now that I am at ATP, it's the same. I'll get out of it what I put into it. Self study and understanding is important to me, I'm not here just to pass the checkride and slide by at the bare minimums. I'm here to learn, study my butt off, and be one heck of a pilot. Will ATP make me that? Nope. I WILL MAKE ME THAT. ATP is just providing the structure and foundation, I'm doing the grunt work.
Sure, there are some people out there that just strive to be mediocre - but you can't say that it's just because they go to ATP/DCA/RAA etc. As for me, when I upgrade - it's gonna be RAD. And I WILL be a great Captain because I *want* to be, not because of how fast I can get there or because I'm an "ATP wonder...."
06-13-2007 | 07:42 AM
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I'm curious as to what's going to happen when all the 250 hour ATP/RAA/DCA wonders eventually upgrade to the big chair on the left.
To the OP, give Slice and De727ups' opinions a little more weight than some 172 driver. These guys have been around quite a long time, and know what they're talking about.
As for ATP- they're just mediocre in my book. I had a chance to fly with a few of their grads who weren't hired as CFIs (read the fine print VERY carefully), and had to do some aircraft checkouts for them. IMHO- ATP teaches you to pass a check ride, plain and simple. While these guys weren't a danger to the flying public per se, it was very difficult to get them to think out of the box or deal with various outlandish scenarios. But that was just my observation from a few years ago.
Good luck with your flight training!!
To the OP, give Slice and De727ups' opinions a little more weight than some 172 driver. These guys have been around quite a long time, and know what they're talking about.
As for ATP- they're just mediocre in my book. I had a chance to fly with a few of their grads who weren't hired as CFIs (read the fine print VERY carefully), and had to do some aircraft checkouts for them. IMHO- ATP teaches you to pass a check ride, plain and simple. While these guys weren't a danger to the flying public per se, it was very difficult to get them to think out of the box or deal with various outlandish scenarios. But that was just my observation from a few years ago.
Good luck with your flight training!!
Their Record Speaks for itself. The last 12 Months 224 of their Grads have been hired..... Most by the company U work for. I this 6months alone 123 have been hired. The month and a half I've been here at ATP 5 of my Ex instructors have been hired 3 by your company. Also there's been people hired that's not represented by their website. There's no school in the US that can match that.... If they train you to pass checkrides they do a pretty good job at it then. Also I think your evaluation is wrong, until you've don it and seen the amount of people that WEEDED out, then you'll understand why the program is so successful and the Airlines Love their grads.
06-13-2007 | 08:13 AM
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Whats ATPs safety record? I presume with all those inexperienced CFIs and students its got to be bad.
Anyone?
ATP is one of many options. The astute consumer will realize they do their job well and they are (like it or not) the future for airline training in the US.
As I understand many of the fllight schools that cater to Japanese / German airlines are structured like ATP.
-LAFF
Anyone?
ATP is one of many options. The astute consumer will realize they do their job well and they are (like it or not) the future for airline training in the US.
As I understand many of the fllight schools that cater to Japanese / German airlines are structured like ATP.
-LAFF
06-13-2007 | 08:18 AM
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I'm curious as to what's going to happen when all the 250 hour ATP/RAA/DCA wonders eventually upgrade to the big chair on the left.
To the OP, give Slice and De727ups' opinions a little more weight than some 172 driver. These guys have been around quite a long time, and know what they're talking about.
As for ATP- they're just mediocre in my book. I had a chance to fly with a few of their grads who weren't hired as CFIs (read the fine print VERY carefully), and had to do some aircraft checkouts for them. IMHO- ATP teaches you to pass a check ride, plain and simple. While these guys weren't a danger to the flying public per se, it was very difficult to get them to think out of the box or deal with various outlandish scenarios. But that was just my observation from a few years ago.
Good luck with your flight training!!
To the OP, give Slice and De727ups' opinions a little more weight than some 172 driver. These guys have been around quite a long time, and know what they're talking about.
As for ATP- they're just mediocre in my book. I had a chance to fly with a few of their grads who weren't hired as CFIs (read the fine print VERY carefully), and had to do some aircraft checkouts for them. IMHO- ATP teaches you to pass a check ride, plain and simple. While these guys weren't a danger to the flying public per se, it was very difficult to get them to think out of the box or deal with various outlandish scenarios. But that was just my observation from a few years ago.
Good luck with your flight training!!
I can't find anything in the FARs about having to know more than the required test standards per federal regulations? Would you please direct me that page?
'Think outside the box' What exactly does that mean?
Various outlandish scenarios - Don't airlines cover that in their training programs?
Thanks,
LAFF
06-13-2007 | 08:25 AM
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Some people just can't fathom some getting all their ratings in 90days as opposed to 1year 2years or more. It's kinda sad to see that pilots backlash against these sort of schools because they did another route. It's obvious the Airlines like the way ATP conduct their business. The way ATP trains is structured around Airline training. That's why ATP grads do so well in airline training. They've just done 90days of drinking from the fire hydrant. So they're well prepared. As for moving to the left seat........ ATP has been around for almost 25years, now I'm pretty sure there's Captains from there that's done very well in the industry.
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