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06-15-2007, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by keiundraj
Ok guys..... You all are saying that because that People just got their CFI license that they're in capable of instructing. I'm not disagreeing that an experienced CFI would be able to teach better. What I'm saying is that because he/she just got the CFI they're doing their student a dis justice.(Gotta start somewhere?) There's CFIs here at ATP that's been here 6months and have probably seen more Students and problems they're having that some CFIs with 2years of exprience. Due to the fact that there's new students starting Every Monday. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. I know I'm new on this side of the industry. I just don't get why people are so Hard on ATP here. I was at a Part 141 University before I came here. We'd set in the classroom for 3hrs 5days a week and probably flew 2hrs a week.... For me that type of learning didn't work. I learned here better sit in the classroom for 4hrs Fly for 2hrs. Do and discuss everything you just talked about in the classroom in the airplane! Not sure why there's such a vendetta against ATP their students, grads, and now their Instructors. Now by all means ATP isn't perfect, But it works, and i think that one needs to find out why it works instead of bashing EVERYTHING ABOUT IT!
06-15-2007, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
Is english your second language?
06-15-2007, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog
I didn't bash ATP. Was discussing beyond ATP etc. and the limitations of any program. Have taught/teach/fly Military and Airline, started GA, brother is CFI/II/MEI with all the various backgrounds (ATP's,Comair Training. FBO etc) and who taught for a few years in the GA. We have had numerous discussions. Don't be overly defensive. ATP has strengths, market supports that. It has limitations too. So does my airline and service. Professionally we attempt to address our shortcomings.
06-15-2007, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by keiundraj
. I'm agreeing that an experienced CFI is probably a better CFI. Sometimes he/she couldn't be though, I just think you have to see both sides of the picture??
But that is the challenge for experienced or familiar folks. Even as you mentioned that some of your ATP CFI's wanted to blow off parts of a checklist (overly familiar thus complacent) which you declined (wisely) to do.
Maturity and professionalism is that antidote.
Antidote for inexperience is exposure in various operating environments. Read hours.
06-15-2007, 12:56 PM
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Keiundraj. I was seriously having a hard time following what you were trying to say because of your spelling, grammer, punctuation, ect.
It seems like my comment prompted you to clean up your act, which was it's intent.
Also, I've seen ESL folks who came across like you were because it was the best they could do. Hence, my question.
It seems like my comment prompted you to clean up your act, which was it's intent.
Also, I've seen ESL folks who came across like you were because it was the best they could do. Hence, my question.
06-15-2007, 01:02 PM
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No problem sir.... Sometimes I get to thinking and typing so fast that I leave out a word/letter or two... I'm not allowed to edit my posts anymore? I've tried to clean them up after I mess up but I can't therefore you get what you see. I'm going to make a conscious attempt to read my posts before I hit the button from now on.
06-17-2007, 01:16 PM
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Twotters post was one of the greatest ones i have seen on APC, with the exception of the one that featured lots of bunnies with things stacked on their heads.
Here is my opinion, for what it is worth. I have a "good" job. Make a little more than a very senior captain at a legacy. The down-side is that it is not in aviation. For those seeking money, aviation is NOT the way to go. For those whop have always had a desire to fly professionally it is.
I have nothing against the pilot mills. What I wonder about is if the students get a real taste of aviation like i did hanging around the FBO. Lots of learning went on talking to other pilots, hopping fides in different airplanes, talking to mechanics and learning what makes the airplane work, etc. It seemed to me that some of my good lessons were learned this way. If ATP or others can give a pilot the texture and context that is necessary, then great. BU, don' knock the FBO route either.
Great post Twotter!
Here is my opinion, for what it is worth. I have a "good" job. Make a little more than a very senior captain at a legacy. The down-side is that it is not in aviation. For those seeking money, aviation is NOT the way to go. For those whop have always had a desire to fly professionally it is.
I have nothing against the pilot mills. What I wonder about is if the students get a real taste of aviation like i did hanging around the FBO. Lots of learning went on talking to other pilots, hopping fides in different airplanes, talking to mechanics and learning what makes the airplane work, etc. It seemed to me that some of my good lessons were learned this way. If ATP or others can give a pilot the texture and context that is necessary, then great. BU, don' knock the FBO route either.
Great post Twotter!
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