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Old 08-15-2023 | 06:39 PM
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So I went to a big flight school and we had some delays, several plane issues and maintenance issues. So I feel like that hurt my
Training a bit. However. I just started a smaller flight school to continue my training after having a month off and before that I flew around 4 times in a month. Total time is around 53 hours. I still haven’t soloed yet. I feel like the last 3 flights with an older plane are getting decent, but I feel like I’m still a little ways away from soloing. Anyone have anything to help out with landing? So before I could flare amazing. But I was having issues side loading the plane. Now I’m not side loading as much, but now my flare is just not as smooth as it once was.
Where are you now?

If you around DFW area you might try Marcus Air. Their website is just their business name plus dot com.
They have instructors that have thousands hours of instruction given and their aircraft will have AoA indicator to help you with landing.
Plus they have detailed way to teach you how to trimmed to land, aka let aircraft fly landing their alone.
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Old 08-15-2023 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
I have no idea what the "zone of no movement" is or where it begins or ends (or even what color or flavor it might be), but after four decades of this, a few certificates, a few types, a few kinds of landing gear (and a few aircraft without wheels), I've never found landing to be anything but a judgement call every time.
That's great when you have 20,000 hours and can do it out of instinct. But guys with closer to zero hours need structure to form the basis of that judgement. Zone of no movement is the point on the runway the aircraft will fly into on approach if you continue with no changes, the foreground gets closer to you as you approach it, the background gets further away, so you identify it by the area that is "not moving". That way you can maintain a stable approach regardless of configuration. If the runway perspective flattens out, you are getting low and you need to add power and increase pitch to get back to the previous perspective, and opposite of that if it gets steeper. And no, I did not write that for you, because you are obviously not closer to zero hours, like the OP.
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Old 08-15-2023 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
That's great when you have 20,000 hours and can do it out of instinct. But guys with closer to zero hours need structure to form the basis of that judgement. Zone of no movement is the point on the runway the aircraft will fly into on approach if you continue with no changes, the foreground gets closer to you as you approach it, the background gets further away, so you identify it by the area that is "not moving". That way you can maintain a stable approach regardless of configuration. If the runway perspective flattens out, you are getting low and you need to add power and increase pitch to get back to the previous perspective, and opposite of that if it gets steeper. And no, I did not write that for you, because you are obviously not closer to zero hours, like the OP.
Never heard of it.

I don't land out of instinct. Some of my worst landings have been fairly recent. Having read your description, I have no idea what you're talking about, but I land a 747 the same way I land a J-3 cub or an 802.

So far as students, I find that 99% of what the student needs to know takes place in the traffic pattern, from takeoff to landing to ground reference to slow flight and stalls. Pick a good day with a stiff crosswind, take the student out in that. Fly down the runway at 5'. keep wings level and throw the nose around with the rudder. Land, pick up three feet, land, pick up three feet, all the way down, ad infinitum. Some of the best training I did was at a small rural airport in cubs and aeroncas and the like. No radios. Relatively short gravel runway, tall pecan trees around, always turbulent. 200' pattern, taking off and landing both directions, simultaneously. Takeoff on runway x, right pattern at 200' to return and land on the same runway, turn around at the end, takeoff runway Y, opposite direction to x, left pattern, 200', back to land on Y. Turn around at the end, now it's x, rinse and repeat, all day long, with students going both ways. Good training, good heads-up work. Occasionally a guy would shoot at us on the downwind as we fly down a levee. Good for situational awareness. Good reminder to keep flying it until it's in the tie-downs. We'd fly do vertical traffic patterns in strong winds; takeoff at the threshold, climb to pattern altitude or some arbitrary altitude lower, and descend to the threshold, in place. Flight under powerlines. Formation under powerlines. Precision. A lot of what was needed, was all found in the traffic pattern.

Fly numbers. Fly no-motion something-or-other, or whatever rings the bell, but in the end, it's not rocket science, and it does come down to judgement; judging height, when to flare, when to reduce power, and the only to really internalize it is to go do it. A lot. Never take a landing for granted. No instinct. That doesn't exist. Some say a smooth landing is luck; maybe it is. I have no idea. It's a judgement call every time.
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Old 08-16-2023 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by IFRDriver
Where are you now?

If you around DFW area you might try Marcus Air. Their website is just their business name plus dot com.
They have instructors that have thousands hours of instruction given and their aircraft will have AoA indicator to help you with landing.
Plus they have detailed way to teach you how to trimmed to land, aka let aircraft fly landing their alone.
What?
filler
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Old 08-17-2023 | 07:16 AM
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Someone told me years ago you can learn to fly in 20 hours and spend the rest of your life learning to land. Each landing is different and a learning experience. One could argue that the best benefit of 1500 hours is you're seeing a lot more varying conditions during that last 100 feet. You just can't duplicate that in 250 hours. I'll use wind shear as an example. May not happen often but when it does it can catch you off guard and there's the rub. Even with convective activity within say 20 miles you can see a nice 10 knot wind down the centerline suddenly gust to a 15-20 knot crosswind in the flare. On a side note, there are examples of runway excursions where the listed conditions were relatively benign. Trouble is that could be from an ATIS measuring conditions a mile away. My 0.02.
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Old 08-17-2023 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by aeroengineer
Someone told me years ago you can learn to fly in 20 hours and spend the rest of your life learning to land.
That's a pretty good assessment.
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Old 08-18-2023 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
What?
filler
They recently have guaranteed programs, like private pilot license program, guaranteed to finish within national average hours (80 hours), or they will refund your tuition of $3000
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Old 08-18-2023 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by IFRDriver
They recently have guaranteed programs, like private pilot license program, guaranteed to finish within national average hours (80 hours), or they will refund your tuition of $3000
Bro you need to do something about your posts, they’re absolutely painful to read.
Similar grammar and spelling errors on the MarcusAir website by the way.
Are you the owner?
https://marcusair.com
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Old 08-18-2023 | 08:21 AM
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It is hard to take a professional flight training website seriously when the English is so flawed. Especially one asking for thousands of dollars.

Good catch.
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Old 08-18-2023 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
It is hard to take a professional flight training website seriously when the English is so flawed. Especially one asking for thousands of dollars.

Good catch.
Thanks.
Math doesn’t add up either.
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