Are things any better?
11-15-2005, 10:22 AM
#11
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some of you are going to jump all over me for this but......
i know a mexican kid that grew up poor. he did well in school and always tried his best. grade school thru high school above average student and still poor.
i know a mexican kid that was about to start college when his dad left his mom for another woman. he never went to that college, but he started the local CC.
i know a mexican kid who joined the National Guard to get the GI Bill so one day he could attend a university. he never got that chance. while his mom worked at Mcdonalds....yes Mcdonalds(and went to nursing school) he worked various restaurant jobs to help pay the bills. he failed at attempts to start car washes, lawn cutting serrvices and even management.
i know a mexican kid who was working as a water delivery guy driving and G-DAMN truck around all day sweating 6am to 7pm. he finally went home one evening and told his loving wife he was not happy with his job(s). she asked him "what would you really like to do?" and the mexican kid said i always wanted to fly an airplane.
i know a mexican kid that picked up a phone book and began calling airports to find out what you had to do to get a certificate. then he managed to scrape some savings, donations(from that hard working mom) and a small loan.
that mexican kid got his ratings and then became an instructor and now is upgrading and his current regional. not exactly that conventional airline pilot career track.
my point is.....it is a matter of perspective.....i am that mexican kid and for me at least....i "made" it. whatever that is. im happy, have nice home and family. i'll never know what it is like to make $300,000 a year, but for me its like i already do.
some might say that it is people like me who are bringing down this profession, but i say im bringing some people up.
i know a mexican kid that grew up poor. he did well in school and always tried his best. grade school thru high school above average student and still poor.
i know a mexican kid that was about to start college when his dad left his mom for another woman. he never went to that college, but he started the local CC.
i know a mexican kid who joined the National Guard to get the GI Bill so one day he could attend a university. he never got that chance. while his mom worked at Mcdonalds....yes Mcdonalds(and went to nursing school) he worked various restaurant jobs to help pay the bills. he failed at attempts to start car washes, lawn cutting serrvices and even management.
i know a mexican kid who was working as a water delivery guy driving and G-DAMN truck around all day sweating 6am to 7pm. he finally went home one evening and told his loving wife he was not happy with his job(s). she asked him "what would you really like to do?" and the mexican kid said i always wanted to fly an airplane.
i know a mexican kid that picked up a phone book and began calling airports to find out what you had to do to get a certificate. then he managed to scrape some savings, donations(from that hard working mom) and a small loan.
that mexican kid got his ratings and then became an instructor and now is upgrading and his current regional. not exactly that conventional airline pilot career track.
my point is.....it is a matter of perspective.....i am that mexican kid and for me at least....i "made" it. whatever that is. im happy, have nice home and family. i'll never know what it is like to make $300,000 a year, but for me its like i already do.
some might say that it is people like me who are bringing down this profession, but i say im bringing some people up.
11-15-2005, 10:35 AM
#12
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FOTGTD,
We were all that same kid. It is a hard road for all. My question is, Just think of where you could have been by now if you had directed all those efforts towards something with a better return.
SkyHigh
We were all that same kid. It is a hard road for all. My question is, Just think of where you could have been by now if you had directed all those efforts towards something with a better return.
SkyHigh
11-15-2005, 10:56 AM
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SKyhigh,
I think you are missing my point. I will not argue with you about some with a better return. For me, this is the better return.
I tried a few business ideas and can wait the hell out of some tables, but for me it was a dead end. I never finished that 4-year, work got in the way and quite frankly...im not that smart. I lost interest quickly. Aviation gave me the motivation to study and I loved it. Now im trying to finish college slowly at my pace.
Everyone is different. This is the path that has worked for me. You cannot make a blanket statement that "this industry sucks, look eleswhere". Im sorry it sucks for you. You seem much more capable than myself to make another career move.
I'll Always remember....
Doug Flutie was too short.
I think you are missing my point. I will not argue with you about some with a better return. For me, this is the better return.
I tried a few business ideas and can wait the hell out of some tables, but for me it was a dead end. I never finished that 4-year, work got in the way and quite frankly...im not that smart. I lost interest quickly. Aviation gave me the motivation to study and I loved it. Now im trying to finish college slowly at my pace.
Everyone is different. This is the path that has worked for me. You cannot make a blanket statement that "this industry sucks, look eleswhere". Im sorry it sucks for you. You seem much more capable than myself to make another career move.
I'll Always remember....
Doug Flutie was too short.
11-15-2005, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Bill if you are out there I would really appreciate a signed copy of your book when it comes out.
11-16-2005, 08:28 PM
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Hey Guys
Hey Guys,
There is a common denominator to us all and that is that we need to be able to make a living at it. If you can't and are being supplemented by a rich wife or parents then it isn't a job anymore and becomes a working hobby.
Somebody's got to to it I guess.
Best of Luck,
SkyHigh
There is a common denominator to us all and that is that we need to be able to make a living at it. If you can't and are being supplemented by a rich wife or parents then it isn't a job anymore and becomes a working hobby.
Somebody's got to to it I guess.
Best of Luck,
SkyHigh
11-16-2005, 10:01 PM
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How much should we make?
I still dont understand? People say how bad things are in aviation right know, but how much should we make? If you were a 5 year captian at Skywest you would make $63.00 an hour. That's around $63,000 a year. With per diem you can throw in a little more. $63,000 a year( minus taxes) will be a good living if you live in SLC. That's still much higher than the average income in the US. I'm a lucky one with no debt at all; so I can live on $63,000 a year. I'm young enough, I dont know what the "good old days" were like. I'm not trying to fight. ( there's another forum for that) If stuff sucks now, I would have loved to be a pilot 20+ years ago. Sorry, it just doesn't seem that bad?
11-16-2005, 11:55 PM
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i am wondering from the same people who complain, sky high and kill bill, what has got you guys hating this career so much. you make six figures a year and still complain. i worked for seven years in a warehouse were i made 45k a year for seven years. yet in those seven years i bought two cars, a house, furnished it and went to college. i understand that you guys are upset about losing alot of pay in the last few years but reaching mc donalds manger pay is a little low. give up the crying about how you use to make over 200k. you are still considered the rich by the standerds in this country even at 130k a year.
11-17-2005, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by preludespeeder
i am wondering from the same people who complain, sky high and kill bill, what has got you guys hating this career so much. you make six figures a year and still complain. i worked for seven years in a warehouse were i made 45k a year for seven years. yet in those seven years i bought two cars, a house, furnished it and went to college. i understand that you guys are upset about losing alot of pay in the last few years but reaching mc donalds manger pay is a little low. give up the crying about how you use to make over 200k. you are still considered the rich by the standerds in this country even at 130k a year.
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