question about ATP
10-04-2007, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by IlliniPilot99
k apparently no one knows the answer the question
...i called atp and they didn't help at all...they kept thinking that i want to start as a student after i told them at least 3 times that I had my CSEL and CMEL and was wondering about cfiing for them....who knows
...i called atp and they didn't help at all...they kept thinking that i want to start as a student after i told them at least 3 times that I had my CSEL and CMEL and was wondering about cfiing for them....who knows
10-15-2007, 09:34 PM
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Call 800-ALL-ATPS and ask to talk to someone who knows about being a TOTAL instructor, not a Career Pilot. The people who normally speak to you on the phone are blithering idiots, with the rare few exceptions.
If you really have to, tell them you want to talk to Jim, or their manager, it will scare them into being smart, and actually help you.
If you really have to, tell them you want to talk to Jim, or their manager, it will scare them into being smart, and actually help you.
10-15-2007, 10:05 PM
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"The people who normally speak to you on the phone are blithering idiots"
MWHAHAHAHAHA....
But they are ATP's finest CFI's just doing their time in the pit before they can be "standardized".
MWHAHAHAHAHA....
But they are ATP's finest CFI's just doing their time in the pit before they can be "standardized".
10-15-2007, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
"The people who normally speak to you on the phone are blithering idiots"
MWHAHAHAHAHA....
But they are ATP's finest CFI's just doing their time in the pit before they can be "standardized".
MWHAHAHAHAHA....
But they are ATP's finest CFI's just doing their time in the pit before they can be "standardized".
10-16-2007, 03:37 AM
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Idiots? Right...
ATPs training is not for everyone. Airline training is not for everyone.
ATP should require 4 year degrees for their career pilot program.
If I do go to ATP - its for no other reason but their organized / accelerated flight training program. Its tested and works.
I'm not wasting another minute at an FBO. Not even to instruct.
I asked folks on another board if CFIing until I had my ATP rating then applying to the regional was a good idea. 90%+ said it was a stupid thing to do considering you can get hired at 500/100 or less. Seniority, they said, was more important and getting an ATP / CFI for too long wouldn't help.
So to all you experienced airline pilots out there...Whats a good benchmark for a CFI? When does the experience gained from CFI start to taper off? When should you break from CFI and head to the regionals.
Thanks,
LAFF
ATPs training is not for everyone. Airline training is not for everyone.
ATP should require 4 year degrees for their career pilot program.
If I do go to ATP - its for no other reason but their organized / accelerated flight training program. Its tested and works.
I'm not wasting another minute at an FBO. Not even to instruct.
I asked folks on another board if CFIing until I had my ATP rating then applying to the regional was a good idea. 90%+ said it was a stupid thing to do considering you can get hired at 500/100 or less. Seniority, they said, was more important and getting an ATP / CFI for too long wouldn't help.
So to all you experienced airline pilots out there...Whats a good benchmark for a CFI? When does the experience gained from CFI start to taper off? When should you break from CFI and head to the regionals.
Thanks,
LAFF
10-16-2007, 09:01 AM
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"ATP should require 4 year degrees for their career pilot program."
Why is that?
"Whats a good benchmark for a CFI?"
They didn't tell you it was stupid to instruct to ATP mins because of some sort of negative return point as a CFI. They are saying don't wait to 1500 total to get the regional job if you could get it at 1000.
Everyone differs on CFI burnout. It's not so much that you stop learning but more that you stop being effective, at some point, because you get sick of it and need to move on. Also, as you instruct, and build your time to the point you become qualified for other jobs, the grass is greener syndrome kicks in and makes CFI burnout syndrome twice as strong.
Why is that?
"Whats a good benchmark for a CFI?"
They didn't tell you it was stupid to instruct to ATP mins because of some sort of negative return point as a CFI. They are saying don't wait to 1500 total to get the regional job if you could get it at 1000.
Everyone differs on CFI burnout. It's not so much that you stop learning but more that you stop being effective, at some point, because you get sick of it and need to move on. Also, as you instruct, and build your time to the point you become qualified for other jobs, the grass is greener syndrome kicks in and makes CFI burnout syndrome twice as strong.
10-16-2007, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer
Idiots? Right...
ATPs training is not for everyone. Airline training is not for everyone.
ATP should require 4 year degrees for their career pilot program.
If I do go to ATP - its for no other reason but their organized / accelerated flight training program. Its tested and works.
I'm not wasting another minute at an FBO. Not even to instruct.
I asked folks on another board if CFIing until I had my ATP rating then applying to the regional was a good idea. 90%+ said it was a stupid thing to do considering you can get hired at 500/100 or less. Seniority, they said, was more important and getting an ATP / CFI for too long wouldn't help.
So to all you experienced airline pilots out there...Whats a good benchmark for a CFI? When does the experience gained from CFI start to taper off? When should you break from CFI and head to the regionals.
Thanks,
LAFF
ATPs training is not for everyone. Airline training is not for everyone.
ATP should require 4 year degrees for their career pilot program.
If I do go to ATP - its for no other reason but their organized / accelerated flight training program. Its tested and works.
I'm not wasting another minute at an FBO. Not even to instruct.
I asked folks on another board if CFIing until I had my ATP rating then applying to the regional was a good idea. 90%+ said it was a stupid thing to do considering you can get hired at 500/100 or less. Seniority, they said, was more important and getting an ATP / CFI for too long wouldn't help.
So to all you experienced airline pilots out there...Whats a good benchmark for a CFI? When does the experience gained from CFI start to taper off? When should you break from CFI and head to the regionals.
Thanks,
LAFF
Dude, until you go, quit promoting the place. You seriously cannot make a very objective post regarding ATP, since you have never been.
10-16-2007, 01:28 PM
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so...the person i talked to at ATP (who was an instructor) was wrong about possibly having them pay for my II and MEi if i sign a contract with them
everyone else i talk to about them says that they will do that...
discuss...again
everyone else i talk to about them says that they will do that...
discuss...again
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