Cross Country Differences
04-11-2008, 09:39 PM
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Cross Country Differences
There are two columns for Cross Country time.
What is the difference between the two? When does log under Cross Country and 50NM Cross Country? I am confused, can you not log the C/X under the 50NM Cross Country column only?
What is the difference between the two? When does log under Cross Country and 50NM Cross Country? I am confused, can you not log the C/X under the 50NM Cross Country column only?
04-11-2008, 09:51 PM
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I hope someone can shed light on this too.
FlyBoyShell - There was only one X/C column in my civilian logbook.
There is no place for x/c time in a military logbook.
I know now that the ATP paperwork requires 500 hours of x/c time. I heard that the FAA considers any flight that departs from one field and lands at antoher to be x/c and that any flight that goes more than 50 nm from the home field is a x/c flight. Is this correct? Practically all of my flights in the military have gone more than 50 miles from home base. How have others account for this time? thanks for your help.
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FlyBoyShell - There was only one X/C column in my civilian logbook.
There is no place for x/c time in a military logbook.
I know now that the ATP paperwork requires 500 hours of x/c time. I heard that the FAA considers any flight that departs from one field and lands at antoher to be x/c and that any flight that goes more than 50 nm from the home field is a x/c flight. Is this correct? Practically all of my flights in the military have gone more than 50 miles from home base. How have others account for this time? thanks for your help.
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04-11-2008, 10:29 PM
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Heres a little info. XC for your training and part 91 has the 50 nm requirement for it to be comsidered xc. A lot of Part 135 companies want 500 cross country time. Defined under part 135 xc is airport to airport. Helps when you are and instructor and have you students do touch and gos and an airport 10 miles away. It can be considered xc. Just my .02.
04-11-2008, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BoredwLife
Heres a little info. XC for your training and part 91 has the 50 nm requirement for it to be comsidered xc. A lot of Part 135 companies want 500 cross country time. Defined under part 135 xc is airport to airport. Helps when you are and instructor and have you students do touch and gos and an airport 10 miles away. It can be considered xc. Just my .02.
So for the ATP paperwork - which factor would you use since you seem to give two distinct answers here under Pt 91 and Pt 135? I guess I could severly limit myself to time that I flew more than 50 nm AND landed at another airport.
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04-12-2008, 06:37 AM
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My log book only has one XC column and I only log as XC those flights that are to airfields over 50nm away. Then again, at least 95% of my flights fall into that category.
Really, unless you are going for a rating or a 135 gig, does XC time actually matter?
Here is a question that just popped into my head. If a Naval Aviator takes off from a carrier, and that carrier sails 50nm before that Aviator returns (without landing someplace else), is that considered cross country?
Really, unless you are going for a rating or a 135 gig, does XC time actually matter?
Here is a question that just popped into my head. If a Naval Aviator takes off from a carrier, and that carrier sails 50nm before that Aviator returns (without landing someplace else), is that considered cross country?
04-12-2008, 07:13 AM
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There are even exceptions to the rule, which have been clarified in FAA legal interpretations. (I'll try to dig it up when I have time)
The biggest I can think of is long range stategic bomber crews. I know a guy that has flown missions from the US to the middle east, dropped bombs on various targets, then back to the US all without touching down.
Strictly speaking, none of that flight time was cross-country, since he didn't do a touch and go at an Iraqi airport... the FAA has allowed for an exemption in such case.
Personally, I only log those flights to an airport beyond 50NM away from my original departure point as XC. If I fly 51 miles, do a touch and go, fly 30 nm, do another touch and go, and then fly 100 nm back home, I'll log the entire time as XC.
The biggest I can think of is long range stategic bomber crews. I know a guy that has flown missions from the US to the middle east, dropped bombs on various targets, then back to the US all without touching down.
Strictly speaking, none of that flight time was cross-country, since he didn't do a touch and go at an Iraqi airport... the FAA has allowed for an exemption in such case.
Personally, I only log those flights to an airport beyond 50NM away from my original departure point as XC. If I fly 51 miles, do a touch and go, fly 30 nm, do another touch and go, and then fly 100 nm back home, I'll log the entire time as XC.
04-12-2008, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
There are even exceptions to the rule, which have been clarified in FAA legal interpretations. (I'll try to dig it up when I have time)
The biggest I can think of is long range stategic bomber crews. I know a guy that has flown missions from the US to the middle east, dropped bombs on various targets, then back to the US all without touching down.
Strictly speaking, none of that flight time was cross-country, since he didn't do a touch and go at an Iraqi airport... the FAA has allowed for an exemption in such case.
Personally, I only log those flights to an airport beyond 50NM away from my original departure point as XC. If I fly 51 miles, do a touch and go, fly 30 nm, do another touch and go, and then fly 100 nm back home, I'll log the entire time as XC.
The biggest I can think of is long range stategic bomber crews. I know a guy that has flown missions from the US to the middle east, dropped bombs on various targets, then back to the US all without touching down.
Strictly speaking, none of that flight time was cross-country, since he didn't do a touch and go at an Iraqi airport... the FAA has allowed for an exemption in such case.
Personally, I only log those flights to an airport beyond 50NM away from my original departure point as XC. If I fly 51 miles, do a touch and go, fly 30 nm, do another touch and go, and then fly 100 nm back home, I'll log the entire time as XC.
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04-12-2008, 08:00 AM
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USMC,
Lemme see if I can dig the interpretation out. I don't know that I would include flying to/from an MOA as x/c time, especially when 90% of the time is probably maneuvering flight in the box.
IIRC there was a "threshold" distance that activated the exemption (1000NM straight line distance maybe?).
I'll see what I can do.
Lemme see if I can dig the interpretation out. I don't know that I would include flying to/from an MOA as x/c time, especially when 90% of the time is probably maneuvering flight in the box.
IIRC there was a "threshold" distance that activated the exemption (1000NM straight line distance maybe?).
I'll see what I can do.
04-12-2008, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
USMC,
Lemme see if I can dig the interpretation out. I don't know that I would include flying to/from an MOA as x/c time, especially when 90% of the time is probably maneuvering flight in the box.
IIRC there was a "threshold" distance that activated the exemption (1000NM straight line distance maybe?).
I'll see what I can do.
Lemme see if I can dig the interpretation out. I don't know that I would include flying to/from an MOA as x/c time, especially when 90% of the time is probably maneuvering flight in the box.
IIRC there was a "threshold" distance that activated the exemption (1000NM straight line distance maybe?).
I'll see what I can do.
Very rarely do I fly from pt A to pt B. I'll have to find a way to do more of that!I guess I was wondering when I was told that x/c was considered flying more than 50 nm from home field. Heck...I didn't even know that I would need to be logging x/c time for the ATP. I'm going to have a heck of a time figuring that out. I hope I have it
Thanks for any help that you can provide.
USMCFLYR
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