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09-13-2008, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by floridaCFII
Are you sure about that? It's a checkride for a certificate, rating, or operating privilege, so it should count for the BFR under 61.56(d). That's what I've been told through my training and by management at the school I'm working at now.
Go read it again...you're leaving out the word PILOT, which is in front of "certificate, rating, or operating privilege". A instructor cert is NOT a pilot cert/rating... only PPL, IR, COMM, ATP, or type rides count for that. The theory is that an instructor ride focuses on teaching skills, not stick and rudder...an examiner could in theory fly the whole ride himself while you talk. There's an FAA legal interpretation on this too.
What's really confusing is that some FSDO's will accept an instructor ride as a BFR...but if you go somewhere else you can be in trouble. Most airlines probably know the legally correct answer too.
09-13-2008, 03:14 PM
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Rickair777, I have a question about logging cross country time for ATP. I have heard and I think I'm reading it right that you can log cross country time towards your ATP rating while only flying 25nm trips and you don't have to land at a airport to log it. Is this correct? Sorry off the subject 61-57b but you guys are a book of knowledege and I didn't want to start a new forum just for this!
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09-13-2008, 08:31 PM
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Your CFI or CFII/MEI ride does not count as a BFR at all. It's not a new rating on your pilot certificate. All the CFI/I/MEI is good for towards the BFR is the 1 hour of ground! read the regs it's right there.
And how are you not going to be instrument current when you're taking your checkride. I'd assume that you'd get at least 6 instrument approaches, intersecting and tracking radials and holds during your prep for the checkride and during your checkride.
These are silly questions for CFI's to be asking I think. Good luck with everything.
And how are you not going to be instrument current when you're taking your checkride. I'd assume that you'd get at least 6 instrument approaches, intersecting and tracking radials and holds during your prep for the checkride and during your checkride.
These are silly questions for CFI's to be asking I think. Good luck with everything.
09-14-2008, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by WmuGrad07
And how are you not going to be instrument current when you're taking your checkride. I'd assume that you'd get at least 6 instrument approaches, intersecting and tracking radials and holds during your prep for the checkride and during your checkride.
These are silly questions for CFI's to be asking I think. Good luck with everything.
I believe that's a silly statement. If you read the original post, he says it's been 2 years since he's been instrument current. If you go beyond your grace period, you have to take an IPC to get recurrent. The PTS has a grid that establishes what Areas of Operations ans Tasks must be completed for you to complete an IPC. You can't just hop in a plane and get your 6 approaches, holds, and tracking and suddenly you're legal again.
09-14-2008, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by multipilot
I believe that's a silly statement. If you read the original post, he says it's been 2 years since he's been instrument current. If you go beyond your grace period, you have to take an IPC to get recurrent. The PTS has a grid that establishes what Areas of Operations ans Tasks must be completed for you to complete an IPC. You can't just hop in a plane and get your 6 approaches, holds, and tracking and suddenly you're legal again.
09-14-2008, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FlynPoPo
Rickair777, I have a question about logging cross country time for ATP. I have heard and I think I'm reading it right that you can log cross country time towards your ATP rating while only flying 25nm trips and you don't have to land at a airport to log it. Is this correct? Sorry off the subject 61-57b but you guys are a book of knowledege and I didn't want to start a new forum just for this!
Thanks guys!
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PPL, COMM, ATP: LDG at a point > 50NM from the departure point.
ATP (for rated military pilots): Flight > 50NM from departure point, no LDG required.
Sport/Recreational: Different, but I'm not sure what.
Part 135 PIC: LDG at a point other than departure, no distance requirement.
For most career pilots, use the 50NM criteria until you have all your ratings, then do whatever you want. If you are low time and need 135 mins, you'll have to add in all LDGs at a point other than departure.
09-14-2008, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
XC time actually has different definitions for various ratings, and a different definition for 135 qualifications.
PPL, COMM, ATP: LDG at a point > 50NM from the departure point.
ATP (for rated military pilots): Flight > 50NM from departure point, no LDG required.
PPL, COMM, ATP: LDG at a point > 50NM from the departure point.
ATP (for rated military pilots): Flight > 50NM from departure point, no LDG required.
61.1(b)(vi) and (vii)
(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight—
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.
(vii) For a military pilot who qualifies for a commercial pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating) under §61.73 of this part, time acquired during a flight—
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.
(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight—
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.
(vii) For a military pilot who qualifies for a commercial pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating) under §61.73 of this part, time acquired during a flight—
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.
09-14-2008, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by multipilot
Rick - I think you're blending a few regs together. Cross-country for the ATP is > 50NM without a landing regardless of whether you're civilian or military. However, if you're military seeking a commercial ticket, then you don't have to land at another airport as you would have to if you were civilian. Here's the reg:
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