FAA Revoking CFI?
09-16-2008, 08:40 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
So is there some time limit on this action? I mean if you gave a guy the PPL training and then 6 months, 1 year, 2 years later, etc...... someone makes a mistake what happens then?
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The clock might start when the FAA finds out about the violation, not when the violation occured.
In the case of an accident years later, time is your friend. Over the course of years...
The student gains flight experience.
He gets BFRs, IPCs, new ratings, and club checkouts.
The more checkouts between you and the student, the better. The people who touched it most recently will bear the brunt. However if you made a significant documentation ommission, or actually omitted some required training, who knows?
09-16-2008, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They can't yank your CFI because a former student screwed up, even if people die...they would have to prove within reason that your training or lack thereof caused the problem. Sloppy documentation can give them the ammo they need though...
In this case the cfi incriminated himself...if he felt strongly enough to write a letter, he probably should not have signed the guy off. I'd hate for a plantif's attorney to get hold of something like THAT.
In this case the cfi incriminated himself...if he felt strongly enough to write a letter, he probably should not have signed the guy off. I'd hate for a plantif's attorney to get hold of something like THAT.
No joke.
And Moonwolf, thanks for clarifying that. I think I was crossing up that one with the TSA requirement. I'm counting down the days because as soon as the signoff limit hits, my copies are being destroyed.
09-16-2008, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf
You have to keep a record of endorsements for THREE years.
- 61.189 Flight instructor records.
(a) A flight instructor must sign the logbook of each person to whom
that instructor has given flight training or ground training.
(b) A flight instructor must maintain a record in a logbook or a
separate document that contains the following:
(1) The name of each person whose logbook or student pilot
certificate that instructor has endorsed for solo flight privileges, and
the date of the endorsement; and
(2) The name of each person that instructor has endorsed for a
knowledge test or practical test, and the record shall also indicate the
kind of test, the date, and the results.
(c) Each flight instructor must retain the records required by this
section for at least 3 years.
After the get their PVT, I'm not sure if there is a deadline of when the responsibility is cut...probably not, but if its been a few years I'm sure less of it would fall on too the instructor.
- 61.189 Flight instructor records.
(a) A flight instructor must sign the logbook of each person to whom
that instructor has given flight training or ground training.
(b) A flight instructor must maintain a record in a logbook or a
separate document that contains the following:
(1) The name of each person whose logbook or student pilot
certificate that instructor has endorsed for solo flight privileges, and
the date of the endorsement; and
(2) The name of each person that instructor has endorsed for a
knowledge test or practical test, and the record shall also indicate the
kind of test, the date, and the results.
(c) Each flight instructor must retain the records required by this
section for at least 3 years.
After the get their PVT, I'm not sure if there is a deadline of when the responsibility is cut...probably not, but if its been a few years I'm sure less of it would fall on too the instructor.
If your records are detailed and will protect you, keep them forever. If they are likely to put your instructor performance in a bad light, maybe best to shred them after three years.
09-16-2008, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilotpip
Student met the PTS requirements. Demonstrating a hazardous attitude isn't a disqualifying issue. The Feds were going to try coming at the instructor with this arguement "The student failed to do a weight and balance, and recognize that the aircraft was outside of designed operating envelope. Obviously you (CFI) didn't do a good job teaching this topic."
No joke.
And Moonwolf, thanks for clarifying that. I think I was crossing up that one with the TSA requirement.
No joke.
And Moonwolf, thanks for clarifying that. I think I was crossing up that one with the TSA requirement.
I understand exactly the point here, have been there myself...the FAA can't do much if the student met the PTS. But an ambulance chaser is a different story...I have refused to sign people off for that reason alone. The school just found a CFI who had no assets to lose
09-17-2008, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cfii2007
Does the FAA take any action if a CFI's pass rate falls below a certain % for first time applicants?
09-18-2008, 09:14 AM
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I've heard that local FSDO's can keep up with your batting average. But with fewer Inspectors and the FAA in some disarray, I don't think that this is a top priority. If you were to say pass 60% of students, and then one of the guys who failed his ride a couple times violates or crashes, I think the FSDO might want a 709 ride with you. But that's really just what if's. Who knows what the FAA procedure is.
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