Loggin passenger time??
#11
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WOW... I thought this conversation was over. Sounds like piloting is kind of like medicine... A lot of "gray areas".
My intention is to go to flight school get at least a private and move on from there. I would love to do aviation as a career, but I really can't justify giving up my salary. (I'm 33). So... If I could build time to the point that I could do CFI or part time or seasonal charter flying, that would be ideal.
No, I'm not trying to scoot the system.
It is part 91, I do know that much.
Thanks for all the vauable insight.
-T
My intention is to go to flight school get at least a private and move on from there. I would love to do aviation as a career, but I really can't justify giving up my salary. (I'm 33). So... If I could build time to the point that I could do CFI or part time or seasonal charter flying, that would be ideal.
No, I'm not trying to scoot the system.
It is part 91, I do know that much.
Thanks for all the vauable insight.
-T
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People were just trying to figure out a way that it could be logged but bottom line is that, for you, unless the PIC is a CFI and willing to teach you and endorse your logbook, there's just no way.
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Makes sense. The only thing we haven't done is "holding maneuvers", if ya know what I mean.
That Lima Fox seems to get you into anywhere in a hurry.
Well, I hope you all enjoy being in the air as much as me.
Good luck to all.
That Lima Fox seems to get you into anywhere in a hurry.
Well, I hope you all enjoy being in the air as much as me.
Good luck to all.
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Could very well be that the PIC is also an MEI. Most people don't let those CFI tickets expire once they get them (who wants to do another checkride )
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I think you are incorrect. The "in air transportation service" limitation applies to both the ATP-instructor and the pilot. IOW, "Sec. 61.169 authorizes an airline transport pilot to give flight instruction which may be logged by the recipient for the purpose of obtaining an airline transport pilot certificate, only if the recipient is engaged in air transportation service." (1976 FAA Chief Counsel opinion).
It's
Now, if you can find a student pilot who is already engaged as a company pilot...
It's
An airline transport pilot may instruct -
(1) Other pilots who are in air transportation service...
not(1) Other pilots who are in air transportation service...
An airline transport pilot may instruct -
(1) Other pilots in the subject of air transportation service...
The overall idea is to have company ATPs instruct company pilots.(1) Other pilots in the subject of air transportation service...
Now, if you can find a student pilot who is already engaged as a company pilot...
With the exception noted above, only FAA certified flight instructors may give flight instruction to students persuing FAA certificates and ratings.
Last edited by WEACLRS; 01-03-2009 at 12:51 PM.
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This is correct. But there is even more involved. Before an ATP can instruct/check in "air transportation service" he/she must have reach a certain level of experience in the aircraft (usually at least 500 hours of line PIC time), undergo in-house training, including observation rides, and then in the case of becoming a check airman, must be observed by a FAA inspector while performing the type of checking the ATP will do. Lastly, they must receive a LOA from the FAA regarding the type of instructing/checking permitted. The average ATP on the line may not instruct in any legal way without that LOA, and then only in their company's FAA approved training program to their company's pilots. This would include type ratings for company aircraft, and if necessary, initial ATP certificates.
With the exception noted above, only FAA certified flight instructors may give flight instruction to students persuing FAA certificates and ratings.
With the exception noted above, only FAA certified flight instructors may give flight instruction to students persuing FAA certificates and ratings.
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