Jet University questions
#21
Do you really want to say that "Oh yeah, I learned at Jet U?"
I either missed it or you never replied to it, but do you have a B.S.??? If not, you probably should incorporate that, because competition is tough(ie impossible) right now for low-time guys.
CRJ transition course: Why do you need it? It's $7500 towards training that you recieve if you get hired at any airline that uses that aircraft anyways. It might give you a very very very slight edge on someone in an interview since you might know a few more things about the aircraft, but seriously that's a lot of money that never has to be spent IMHO.
With the current state of the industry, your chances of being hired are Zero right now. In 2-3 years, there's a maybe. I'd take a more traditional route of training instead of the Zero-to-Hero flight schools and get some solid experience along with some hours, and hopefully you'll think about getting the CFI. Good luck
I either missed it or you never replied to it, but do you have a B.S.??? If not, you probably should incorporate that, because competition is tough(ie impossible) right now for low-time guys.
CRJ transition course: Why do you need it? It's $7500 towards training that you recieve if you get hired at any airline that uses that aircraft anyways. It might give you a very very very slight edge on someone in an interview since you might know a few more things about the aircraft, but seriously that's a lot of money that never has to be spent IMHO.
With the current state of the industry, your chances of being hired are Zero right now. In 2-3 years, there's a maybe. I'd take a more traditional route of training instead of the Zero-to-Hero flight schools and get some solid experience along with some hours, and hopefully you'll think about getting the CFI. Good luck
#22
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As far as I know, Jet University is NOT at part 141 flight school. They make it look like they are, they say they are, but they are not a 141 flight school.
If the Jet University sales people are representing that Jet University is a part 141 flight school, then I would make them prove that fact with something from the FAA that indicates this.
The FAR's require that 141 flight schools must disclose which courses are part 141 and which courses are part 61.
There hasn't been a Jet University graduate hired by Pinnacle since the April 2008 class. There were four graduates that month and Pinnacle hired one of those graduates.
There are dozens of students that have completed the Jet University program and have not received their guaranteed job.
There is a ton of infomation about Jet University from actual Jet University students if you just google, "jet university scam"
If the Jet University sales people are representing that Jet University is a part 141 flight school, then I would make them prove that fact with something from the FAA that indicates this.
The FAR's require that 141 flight schools must disclose which courses are part 141 and which courses are part 61.
There hasn't been a Jet University graduate hired by Pinnacle since the April 2008 class. There were four graduates that month and Pinnacle hired one of those graduates.
There are dozens of students that have completed the Jet University program and have not received their guaranteed job.
There is a ton of infomation about Jet University from actual Jet University students if you just google, "jet university scam"
#23
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#24
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In just about any other field I can think of, five years is generally required before you can even think about teaching others.
I'm not trying to "pay my way" into anything. I found a school which seems to have it together and wanted some input from people actually in the industry VS just from the school recruiter.
#25
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I have one question: Why is it only in the aviation industry it is normal practice for someone who just finishied school/training themselves is allowed to teach others what they have basically just learned? Seems like a classic case of blind leading the blind.
In just about any other field I can think of, five years is generally required before you can even think about teaching others.
I'm not trying to "pay my way" into anything. I found a school which seems to have it together and wanted some input from people actually in the industry VS just from the school recruiter.
In just about any other field I can think of, five years is generally required before you can even think about teaching others.
I'm not trying to "pay my way" into anything. I found a school which seems to have it together and wanted some input from people actually in the industry VS just from the school recruiter.
When your one day sitting in the left seat of a B-777 as the captain and your first officer asks you a question, not wanting to teach or help out will not suffice.
It's sounds like you've already made up your mind chief.
Just remember one thing,
If every pilot in the world was as unwilling to teach as you are, then a career in aviation would not even be an option for you.
#26
I have one question: Why is it only in the aviation industry it is normal practice for someone who just finishied school/training themselves is allowed to teach others what they have basically just learned? Seems like a classic case of blind leading the blind.
In just about any other field I can think of, five years is generally required before you can even think about teaching others.
In just about any other field I can think of, five years is generally required before you can even think about teaching others.
The 777 example is good, lets take it a step further. What happens when your FO in an RJ is fresh off IOE and stomps the rudder of that RJ just like he would a 172 and results in a go around? Do you sit there and scream at him because you don't have teaching experience or do you take the time to show him good technique so he doesn't do it again? The exact situation happened to me. Luckily I had a good captain and the result was that my landings improved tremendously over the course of that four day. By the end of that trip I felt that I could handle things much better than I could coming off IOE.
You've got a number of responses here explaining how Jet-U isn't good yet you seem to ignore it and claim it's a good program.
There's no such thing as an easy way. Like it or not you're going to be a teacher at some point in this industry. Would you rather have the tools that instructing gives you to think outside the box and see trends develop before they do or would you rather see the light, push the button and get the banana?
#27
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
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During a typical day at Jet U you will most likely have one flight lesson. I wanted at least two, but there are not enough instructors to handle that. Scheduling is normally a mess and constantly changing...you have to keep up on them or they will just forget about you. My recommendation is to go wherever you can get your rating at the cheapest price. The allure of the new Diamonds with the glass cockpits is not worth it...and one thing they forget to tell you is that none of the DA20 aircraft have glass, only the DA40's and DA42's. I left Jet U in December...at that time they were not a 141 school...I would verify that with the FAA before going there. Also, ask about the fuel surcharges that are still in effect there. If I had it to do all over again I would have earned all of my ratings from a local flight school.
During a typical day at Jet U you will most likely have one flight lesson. I wanted at least two, but there are not enough instructors to handle that. Scheduling is normally a mess and constantly changing...you have to keep up on them or they will just forget about you. My recommendation is to go wherever you can get your rating at the cheapest price. The allure of the new Diamonds with the glass cockpits is not worth it...and one thing they forget to tell you is that none of the DA20 aircraft have glass, only the DA40's and DA42's. I left Jet U in December...at that time they were not a 141 school...I would verify that with the FAA before going there. Also, ask about the fuel surcharges that are still in effect there. If I had it to do all over again I would have earned all of my ratings from a local flight school.
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