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Old 05-19-2009 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ChillBillPilot
Boomer, I am a flight instructor for ATP at both of their atlanta locations. I take my job very seriously and I believe that I perform to the best of my ability. I have a 100% pass rate, first attempt and I resent the fact that you think just because of where I instruct that I am not a "legit" CFI. Why is it that you feel the need to bash CFIs at ATP because you do not like the company I work for. Maybe it was unintentional but be careful how you word things. Elijahmike I wish you the best of luck in your decision as to which route to take to learn to fly. If you have any questions about ATP do not hesitate to schedule a tour at one of the facilities in ATL, or PM and I will be happy to answer any questions you have.
I don't think he was implying that ATP instructors are not legit, if you look at the context, he was saying that if the guy goes with a smaller flight school to make sure that the CFI is up to par.
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Old 05-19-2009 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by elijahmike1
I am a 31yr old firefighter for a major dept in metro Atlanta. I have a wife and 2 kids and "survive" on 50,000 a year. I have always wanted to fly. I was close to joining ATP's self paced program (0-hero). Im a vet so after VA would have taken on about 40K grand debt. I began to question my career change and if it was possible. I read an article that said ATP is now only hiring 30% of their grads for CFI positions after completion of training. I called and questioned and was told "your the type of person we are looking for, older, professional, and would not have a problem getting hired as a ATP CFI...for sure" Yah...OK. Then I became concerned w/ the pool of potential pilots growing everyday and nobody hiring. So I questioned...was told "the best time to train is during a downturn and that I would have no problem in 1 1/2 years getting a job that the "regionals will be hiring like crazy". When I asked about the ridiculous pay, that I had no idea was the case BTW, I was told that it's only like that the first year and it's realistic to make 35K-40K in yr 2 and then upgrade to make "good" money. Then I stumble on this forum! Anyone out there who can offer good advice that is not just disgruntled would be appreciated. Be safe!

Why not just get your private pilot's license and an instrument rating. These two cornerstones should not be rushed anyway. With these, you can rent a plane and flt you and your family anywhere you want to go. You need to build a little time in between, which is great for getting your wife and kids involved with your dream. Even if a pilot career isn't in the cards... you will never regret doing just this much, and you'll have it for as long as you are able to fly.

Down the road if you want to add on Commercial or Multi-Engine training, these can be done in a relatively quick period of time. Feel out the industry, but don't gamble on it.

You may find that you would rather spend the money to add on a glider or seaplane rating. Maybe get some aerobatic training... 5 to 10 hours of that will give you a new outlook on flying. Perhaps you would want to dabble in those expensive helicopter things.

Or you can pick up a sport pilot license for around 3 grand, and there are a couple fun, inexpensive planes you can fly with that....


The point is that there are many options that don't involve committing a large sum of money on something you might never see a return from
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Old 05-19-2009 | 01:42 PM
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I was in a similar boat to you back in 2002. I was retiring as a "Jake" from the Boston Fire Department. I thought, now is the time to chase the flying dream. I went to work for a regional airline, unfortunately,the airline dream isn't what is was when my Dad worked for DAL, and I left after only eight months. The QOL is non existant. Pay and benifits are even worse. You will find, as an an adult, that has had a good career, that this will result in your not tolerating the treatment impossed upon regional airline pilots. Also, if it had not been for my retirement I could not have supported my wife and kids. My advice, to a brother FF, is to stay on the job and flight instruct on the side. It will be like dipping your toes in the water and not diving in over you head. You will still get to fly and yet be home with the family. I understand the emotional aspect of wanting to be a pilot, but try to remain realistic. Finally, you are doing the right thing by researching the subject on APC.

Best of luck with what ever you do.

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Old 05-19-2009 | 03:43 PM
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"Getting your degree and getting your ratings on the side would be cheaper than going to a pilot mill like ATP. Be smart, don't get "seduced" by the fancy website or shiny brochures." This is what I would advise. Getting a 60,000 to 70,000 loan to go to ATP just doesn't make sense for what you will get paid as CFI for them(ATP)-- if they hire you. Good luck which ever path you choose.
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Old 05-19-2009 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TBMDriver
I was in a similar boat to you back in 2002. I was retiring as a "Jake" from the Boston Fire Department. I thought, now is the time to chase the flying dream. I went to work for a regional airline, unfortunately,the airline dream isn't what is was when my Dad worked for DAL, and I left after only eight months. The QOL is non existant. Pay and benifits are even worse. You will find, as an an adult, that has had a good career, that this will result in your not tolerating the treatment impossed upon regional airline pilots. Also, if it had not been for my retirement I could not have supported my wife and kids. My advice, to a brother FF, is to stay on the job and flight instruct on the side. It will be like dipping your toes in the water and not diving in over you head. You will still get to fly and yet be home with the family. I understand the emotional aspect of wanting to be a pilot, but try to remain realistic. Finally, you are doing the right thing by researching the subject on APC.

Best of luck with what ever you do.
Good point. Professionals who have experienced government or blue-chip corporate careers are generally appalled at the way they are treated in aviation, especially at the entry level.
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Old 05-20-2009 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ChillBillPilot
I resent the fact that you think just because of where I instruct that I am not a "legit" CFI. Why is it that you feel the need to bash CFIs at ATP because you do not like the company I work for. Maybe it was unintentional but be careful how you word things.
No bash intended. You're right, the way I worded it you could think I was slamming ATP.

Instead of "legit CFI", what I should have said was shop around and find a good CFI, one that has a gift for teaching and one that takes his/her job seriously. One that will still be there in a month so you don't need to rush your ratings or start over with a new CFI every couple flights.

Sorry to ruffle any feathers. I have no axe to grind with ATP, its employees, or students.
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