ME Add-On Question
09-22-2009 | 04:28 PM
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ME Add-On Question
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A buddy of mine is working on finishing up a rating he started long ago. He is a private pilot, with instrument/multi privileges. His multi is "VFR Only."
His uncle recently passed and his aircraft is for sale w/ his estate. Its a Baron. His question to me was "do I need to take a full instrument checkride in a twin to have the restriction removed?" I guess he needs to be instrument rated for insurance/lending purposes to purchase the twin.
Not being an instructor and not having taken a checkride for anything in awhile, I had no idea, but I told him I'd help him find out.
If someone could point me in the right direction I'd be very appreciative.
A buddy of mine is working on finishing up a rating he started long ago. He is a private pilot, with instrument/multi privileges. His multi is "VFR Only."
His uncle recently passed and his aircraft is for sale w/ his estate. Its a Baron. His question to me was "do I need to take a full instrument checkride in a twin to have the restriction removed?" I guess he needs to be instrument rated for insurance/lending purposes to purchase the twin.
Not being an instructor and not having taken a checkride for anything in awhile, I had no idea, but I told him I'd help him find out.
If someone could point me in the right direction I'd be very appreciative.
09-22-2009 | 05:17 PM
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Hey Guys-
A buddy of mine is working on finishing up a rating he started long ago. He is a private pilot, with instrument/multi privileges. His multi is "VFR Only."
His uncle recently passed and his aircraft is for sale w/ his estate. Its a Baron. His question to me was "do I need to take a full instrument checkride in a twin to have the restriction removed?" I guess he needs to be instrument rated for insurance/lending purposes to purchase the twin.
Not being an instructor and not having taken a checkride for anything in awhile, I had no idea, but I told him I'd help him find out.
If someone could point me in the right direction I'd be very appreciative.
A buddy of mine is working on finishing up a rating he started long ago. He is a private pilot, with instrument/multi privileges. His multi is "VFR Only."
His uncle recently passed and his aircraft is for sale w/ his estate. Its a Baron. His question to me was "do I need to take a full instrument checkride in a twin to have the restriction removed?" I guess he needs to be instrument rated for insurance/lending purposes to purchase the twin.
Not being an instructor and not having taken a checkride for anything in awhile, I had no idea, but I told him I'd help him find out.
If someone could point me in the right direction I'd be very appreciative.
09-22-2009 | 05:23 PM
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I could be totally wrong (I usually am) but I don't think they do the VFR only restriction anymore. The instrument rating is just "instrument-airplane". Now, having said that - if it's on there, I suppose he'd probably need to show "instrument proficiency in a multi" (i.e. single engine approach, etc) to an examiner to have it removed. I'd just call the nearest, coolest examiner and ask him about it.
09-22-2009 | 05:46 PM
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There's no more VFR-only type ratings anymore.
This is simply gaining multiengine priveleges on his instrument rating. He'll just have to take a checkride with some single-engine work to remove the restriction, generally a short checkride.
This is simply gaining multiengine priveleges on his instrument rating. He'll just have to take a checkride with some single-engine work to remove the restriction, generally a short checkride.
09-22-2009 | 07:04 PM
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Are there existing PTS for this scenario? Can he be tested/failed in areas he has already demonstrated proficiency in under his current ME priveleges?
09-22-2009 | 07:48 PM
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The short simple answer would be to ask the local DPE. But as far as I know it should be as simple as demonstrating one or two single engine instrument approaches and other basic stuff. If he has a current PTS is should state what the requirements are.
09-22-2009 | 07:57 PM
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http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library%5CrgAdvisoryCircul ar.nsf/list/AC%2061-111A/$FILE/FAA-S-8081-4D.pdf
Page 16 describes what tasks won't need to be repeated for the add-on. And yes, he can be tested and failed in areas in which he's already demonstrated proficiency. Best thing to do is go over the table on page 16 with the examiner prior to the checkride.
09-23-2009 | 09:33 AM
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So, in theory, all he has to do is complete the multi-engine "Emergency Procedures?" Everything else was covered under his initial instrument rating?
It sounds like you need to find a pretty laid back DPE though...
It sounds like you need to find a pretty laid back DPE though...
09-23-2009 | 09:57 PM
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You could bet an examiner will want to see instrument proficiency period. If your buddy has been using those instrument priveleges, he shouldn't have a problem. For a checkride, I'd bet on stuff similar to an Instrument Proficiency Check. In fact, the whole thing will probably be like an IPC. Fly through at least one approach and a single engine approach, most likely with a hold entry, if not a complete circuit. That would be my guess, and you do want to check with your favorite DPE.
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