fjetter

I did a search and didn't come up with much. Just curious what some opinions are and if they have had this situation, with references.

If you have successfully completed an IPC in an airplane and have it signed off as such do you still need to do a BFR? I read 61.56(d) as yes you still need to do a BFR unless the IPC was done with an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or US Armed Force.

Another instructor and I were debating this. I feel that the flight with a CFII could count as a flight review and an IPC however it requires a sign-off as a flight review for 61.56 and a seperate sign-off as an IPC to comply with 61.57. The CFII doing the flight is still responsible to do the 1 hour ground required by 61.56 unless the pilot is a current CFI (in which renewal negates the 1 hr ground requirement for 61.56)

Any insights?

msmspilot

I'll say no. An IPC, by itself, does not count as a flight review.

The IPC consists of "a representative number of tasks required by the instrument rating practical test," while the flight review requires 1 hour of ground and 1 hour of flight training that "must include: 1) a review of ... part 91; and 2) a review of the maneuvers ... necessary for the pilot to demonstrate the safe exercise of the privileges of the pilot certificate"

While these two tasks can be accomplished on the same flight, the IPC does not require any ground training, while the FR does, and the IPC regulation specifically references the instrument PTS, while the FR references a more general "maneuvers."

If you wanted to do both in one flight, I would certainly say that doing an hour of ground on part 91, followed by a flight with instrument work to satisfy the PTS, and mix in the maneuvers the instructor felt were needed for a FR would satisfy anyone for both signoffs.

I personally would certainly count a "circle to land" approach as part of the requirements for the FR and the IPC.

NoyGonnaDoIt

msmspilot is right.

Different regs. Different technical requirements. One doesn't automatically count for the other. But, subject to your instructor's preferences, there's no reason why you can't do both at the same time.

fjetter

I think we're all on the same page here and in agreement. Completing an IPC is NOT a substitute for a flight review however the flight completing the IPC can be used towards the 1hr min flight required for the Flight Review. Two entries would be required here.

This is what my interpretation of the regs were and was just looking for some other opinions confirming that. Thanks!

msmspilot

The important part (from the pilot's perspective) is to let the flight instructor know AHEAD of time that you want to do both. You can certainly do an IPC and FR in less time together than separately, but you have to plan for it.

TPROP4ever

Kinda wierd that this came up, I am doing a flight tommorow, to satisfy both, but will have to have the two signoffs, and the hour of ground obviously. Not due for the BFR till august, but I figured why not kill two birds, besides, not like I going to get a call back before august..lol

rickair7777

I always get a BFR anytime I do anything with an instructor. Might as well reset the clock.

tralika

Ground instruction or review is not required for an IPC but it sure is a good idea.