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Old 08-25-2010 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by slipped
Ok seriously. How is anyone going to know or find out? Ethics aside. How can they prove I did or didt fly the plane on such and such date?
Ohhh boy....
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Old 08-26-2010 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by slipped
Ok seriously. How is anyone going to know or find out? Ethics aside. How can they prove I did or didt fly the plane on such and such date?

By going into the records of the airplane. Most schools keep a good record of who flew an airplane and when. So all the have to do (and they will do it if the see it necessary) is subpoena the records for the airplane you flew. The FAA has some good snoops on their side. The gubment is paying them good money to be that way. If they want to find out, they will. The only way you would get cought is if you had some kind of logbook audit because of an incident or accident. So if you do "whip it" your playing your odds.

BTW, if your going to "whip it" get an aviation attourney on a retainer today. You may need them one day.
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Old 08-26-2010 | 05:45 PM
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Buck up and rent the plane for 5 hours. It's deductable and maybe you'll even know what you're talking about when you're teaching somebody in it.
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Old 08-29-2010 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Corndawg88
Just talk to your new school if he'll comp the cost of the plane, and you'll cover the gas.... It isn't costing them anything really to fly the plane, and its ultimately gonna allow you to instruct and bring more revenue for the school.... the duchess is about 50 bucks an hour in gas.... Good luck man...
If you really think "It isn't costing them anything really to fly the plane" then you don't know much about aviation.
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Old 08-30-2010 | 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by slipped
Ok seriously. How is anyone going to know or find out? Ethics aside. How can they prove I did or didt fly the plane on such and such date?
In 20 years of general aviation there have only been 2 other pilots I would not want to be associated with, please don't be number 3.
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Old 08-30-2010 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by mshunter
BTW, if your going to "whip it" get an aviation attorney on a retainer today. You may need them one day.
You'll be looking for awhile, since (contrary to popular opinion) most attorneys operate ethically, and people who do what the OP postulated are ethically challenged (and IQ limited). Tracking down flight time for a specific N number is almost trivial when the aircraft is a rental. Furthermore, if one is talking about this on a forum, s/he is probably going to mention it in other venues. Somebody's gonna squeal, and once you're tainted with something like this it'll takes years of clean living to get past it. Don't be stupid. Get the five hours legitimately - it's cheaper in the long run.
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Old 08-30-2010 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I would not teach anything in any twin without a few hours PIC in make and model, even though the regs allow it.
A very good idea, but I might make an exception in this case - the PA44 and BE76 are more similar than different. One must be careful, though ...
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Old 08-30-2010 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by slipped
Ok seriously. How is anyone going to know or find out? Ethics aside. How can they prove I did or didt fly the plane on such and such date?
It not a question of Ethics, its a question of Life and Death.

Look, I understand cheating on a math test.... fudging a resume for an office job... lying on your taxes. I understand that many people might justify that.

But many months ago, a couple of students at my flight school were suspected of cheating on some of the flight tests and requirements. The first thought that crossed my mind is that someone's life can end due to that.

Math tests? Not so much. (although the occasional engineering error has killed people). But when it comes to anything involving flight, we do it right. Gravity is a harsh and unforgiving mistress.

This was re-enforced when I heard "Sully" give his talk in which he asks, "Do you tolerate mediocrity? If so, why? Why not expect and demand excellence, from yourself, and those around you."

If you think its just a question of Ethics, then you've missed the bigger issue.
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Old 08-30-2010 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rotorhead1026
You'll be looking for awhile, since (contrary to popular opinion) most attorneys operate ethically, and people who do what the OP postulated are ethically challenged (and IQ limited). Tracking down flight time for a specific N number is almost trivial when the aircraft is a rental. Furthermore, if one is talking about this on a forum, s/he is probably going to mention it in other venues. Somebody's gonna squeal, and once you're tainted with something like this it'll takes years of clean living to get past it. Don't be stupid. Get the five hours legitimately - it's cheaper in the long run.

Yeah, but attourney's will find a way to spin it that is ethical. Reduced sentence, or whatever. Because attourny's regularly take on murder's as defendants. He'll be able to find one if he needs it. I gaurentee it.
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