Logging flight time with no tach/Hobbs meter?
01-27-2013, 08:38 PM
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Logging flight time with no tach/Hobbs meter?
IF a plane has no tachometer or broken meter, how do you log flight hour? In order not to get in trouble or violate any law, when can you technically start logging hours and when do you have to stop?
For example, is it as soon as you turn the master on? Prop spins? Or once plane starts to taxi?
How about after Landing, it is upon shut down, upon reaching parking, master off, or???
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For example, is it as soon as you turn the master on? Prop spins? Or once plane starts to taxi?
How about after Landing, it is upon shut down, upon reaching parking, master off, or???
Thanks
01-27-2013, 08:44 PM
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The hour meter on the tach or the hobbs are for billing and for maintenance recording. You've got a wrist watch, don't you?
What do the regulations say about the logging of flight time? From the time the aircraft first moves under it's own power until it comes to rest after flight, correct? (14 CFR 1.1).
What do the regulations say about the logging of flight time? From the time the aircraft first moves under it's own power until it comes to rest after flight, correct? (14 CFR 1.1).
01-27-2013, 09:00 PM
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From FAR Part 1.
Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing.
Ok so does this mean you can do a 15 min taxi and 15 min run up and do one touch and go in the pattern and taxi back for another 15 min and legally log 1 hour in your logbook? I know this example is extreme and not the norm.
Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing.
Ok so does this mean you can do a 15 min taxi and 15 min run up and do one touch and go in the pattern and taxi back for another 15 min and legally log 1 hour in your logbook? I know this example is extreme and not the norm.
01-27-2013, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SongMan
From FAR Part 1.
Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing.
Ok so does this mean you can do a 15 min taxi and 15 min run up and do one touch and go in the pattern and taxi back for another 15 min and legally log 1 hour in your logbook? I know this example is extreme and not the norm.
Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing.
Ok so does this mean you can do a 15 min taxi and 15 min run up and do one touch and go in the pattern and taxi back for another 15 min and legally log 1 hour in your logbook? I know this example is extreme and not the norm.
I've logged 6.7 hours of total time for a flight that lasted .7 once flying into LaGuardia back when the slot restrictions were lifted. We taxiied around the airport for 5.5 hours until we finally got a gate.
01-27-2013, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
Yup.
I've logged 6.7 hours of total time for a flight that lasted .7 once flying into LaGuardia back when the slot restrictions were lifted. We taxiied around the airport for 5.5 hours until we finally got a gate.
I've logged 6.7 hours of total time for a flight that lasted .7 once flying into LaGuardia back when the slot restrictions were lifted. We taxiied around the airport for 5.5 hours until we finally got a gate.
I never flew airline and maybe that's why I don't know what "slot restriction were lift" means. I just can not imagine how one can taxi around for 5 hours.
01-28-2013, 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
You've never been number 74 for takeoff at EWR.
01-28-2013, 04:11 AM
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As others have said, when you simply start the engine, note the time. When you taxi back in and shut the engine down, note the time again. Yes, if you have a long taxi at your field (maybe busy flight school/corporate hot spot) and then have a 10 minute run up trying to clear a mag and then only simply do one lap in the pattern...it all counts as flight time.
As others have said...wait till you get to the airlines (if thats where you are headed). Id say in excess of 10% of my time* is sitting in line waiting to depart.
*likely much more. It is not uncommon from pushback to takeoff for 30-40 minutes to pass. Figure its a two hour flight and you spent 25% of your logged time taxiing. What brings the average down a little is when you push out of say Syracuse and it only takes 7 minutes from push to takeoff roll.
As others have said...wait till you get to the airlines (if thats where you are headed). Id say in excess of 10% of my time* is sitting in line waiting to depart.
*likely much more. It is not uncommon from pushback to takeoff for 30-40 minutes to pass. Figure its a two hour flight and you spent 25% of your logged time taxiing. What brings the average down a little is when you push out of say Syracuse and it only takes 7 minutes from push to takeoff roll.
01-28-2013, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
Yup.
I've logged 6.7 hours of total time for a flight that lasted .7 once flying into LaGuardia back when the slot restrictions were lifted. We taxiied around the airport for 5.5 hours until we finally got a gate.
I've logged 6.7 hours of total time for a flight that lasted .7 once flying into LaGuardia back when the slot restrictions were lifted. We taxiied around the airport for 5.5 hours until we finally got a gate.
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
I've had a number of reposition flights between JFK and EWR that were 4 hours. The airports are about 15 miles apart.
I've also had to fall out of line at EWR and go back for fuel, before.
I've also had to fall out of line at EWR and go back for fuel, before.
Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
As others have said...wait till you get to the airlines (if thats where you are headed). Id say in excess of 10% of my time* is sitting in line waiting to depart.
*likely much more. It is not uncommon from pushback to takeoff for 30-40 minutes to pass. Figure its a two hour flight and you spent 25% of your logged time taxiing. What brings the average down a little is when you push out of say Syracuse and it only takes 7 minutes from push to takeoff roll.
*likely much more. It is not uncommon from pushback to takeoff for 30-40 minutes to pass. Figure its a two hour flight and you spent 25% of your logged time taxiing. What brings the average down a little is when you push out of say Syracuse and it only takes 7 minutes from push to takeoff roll.
I would have made my personal flight hour goal MUCH easier if I had been able to log all the time I spent in marshal!
(To the OP - flight time in the military is takeoff to landing)
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