Originally Posted by wmugrad05

Well I have a guaranteed pilot interview with fed ex now since I work for them so that makes me feel a hell of alot better

Originally Posted by sigep_nm

While you bring up a good point, I think you actually fingered the whole problem with this industry. "Get there as fast as you can" is a theory that has probably brought about the ruin of many good people. This frame of mind makes smart people do some incredibly stupid things, i.e Go-Jets. It is the same mindset that allows the Great Lakes of the world (I dont have anything their pilots) to pay the basement rate that they do. We have lost the power to negotiate because of this theory. It allows the Regional Airline Academies of the world to charge 100K to get you your ratings in 18 months, with the carrot dangling in front of the professional jet job, while you get hit with the stick when you can no longer afford to do your job because you cant pay the loans. Just my thoughts.

Originally Posted by AVIVIII

Do you have something against ATP or do you just not listen?
This is directly from their site:

http://www.atpflightschool.com/airli...ram/index.html
Included in the Price

Airline Career Pilot Program $44,995 Apartments (90 Day Fast Track Only) Included Cross-Country Hotels Included 5 FAA Written Exams
(IRA, CAX, FIA, FII & FOI) Included Manuals, Training Syllabus & Checklists Included Jeppesen Airway Manual with Charts for Cross-Country Phase Included Airline Career Pilot Program $44,995

Before you even start the program, you get a Box with all the stuff you will need for the course in it. Jepp Inst/Comm. book, 4 Gliem Books, All the PTS' and Oral exam guides, Airplane Flying Handbook, Instrument Flying Handbook, The Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge, The Flight Instructor's Handbook, checklists, Seminole PIM/POH, custom syllabus and 3 very nice polo shirts. While we were living in the apartment that ATP provided, I contacted the leasing office, it went for $1250/mo. The average electric bill was $160/mo and cable was $70/mo, ATP paid for it all. There was 4 of us living in the apartment. At the end of the program, I turned in my receipts for reimbursement on charts and expenses on the road and that came to $190, ATP paid that. While I was down there, I stayed in hotels a total of 9 nights at an average of $110/night, ATP picked up the tab. They also would take car of cab rides and rental cars if you needed them to, I never did.

Lets break it down then:
Total Cost ATP Today = $45,000
Less 5 FAA Writtens (5*$90/ea) = $450
Less 4 Gliem books (4*$20) = $80
Less Jepp Book = $60
Less Handbooks (3*$15) = $45
Less PTSs & OEGs = $75
Less PA-44 POH = $50.00
Less reimbursed expenses = $190
Less Hotels = (9*$110) = $990
Less Rent and Utilities ((1250+160+70)/4) = 370/person/month = $1110

Total Cost of Flight Training ~ $41,950

Now if you do a rough calculation and base the whole thing on multi time, it comes down to $220 per hour dual. Not too bad. But that also includes god knows how much ground time, 10 hours in a 172, 30 hours in a crappy sim and 70 hours in a Level 6 Seminole FTD, all with your instructor.

Now if you want to separate that out a little more:

Less 172 time ($80*10) = $800

Now you are down to $41,150. Who knows how much ground time we spent, but it was a lot. I won't even add in the cost of the sim because I have no idea what they would bill at. But we will conservatively say 200 hours of instructor time outside of flying including the 100 hours spent in the sim.

Less Instructor time (200*$30) = $6000 and you would pay more than that at your mom and pop FBO.

Now you are down to $35,150. Which is $185 per hour dual. I would dare you to beat that somewhere else.

Now if you really want to make it look nice, when I did it 3 years ago, it was $32000 and you got 150 hours of multi time. And I figured that that ended up being $155 and hour dual. You can barely rent a new 172 for that.

Originally Posted by BURflyer

And I'm telling you you don't need all that crap, you still come out thousands cheaper if you do it all multi and tens of thousands cheaper if you do it single engine at a regualr school.

Originally Posted by AVIVIII

Even at that, it is still $36,000 PLUS to get 190 hours of multi time. And that figure doesn't include the PPL either.

If you want to get the private through ATP, thats another $9K and they provide housing for that as well. Thats 2 months and 85 hours. So it is private and then some more PIC X-C time on top of it all.

So yeah, you could probably save 3-4 thousand doing it all multi at that specific FBO. That is assuming that you can actually get a deal like that. Also assuming that the plane doesn't break down or get scheduled by someone else and the instructor is always available. And again, that you aren't in a rush. That still doesn't include housing, sim training, ground training, writtens or expenses.

Where is this FBO? What type of plane is it? Does it have GPS? Slaved gyros? Insurance?