Hawker445

I know this has been gone over countless times but it is absolutely ridiculous that there is no straight answer. I am 20 right now, and according to 61.35 on the FAA website it says that I have to be 21 PRIOR to July 31st to take the ATP written.


61.35 Knowledge test: Prerequisites and passing grades.
(a) An applicant for a knowledge test must have:

(1) Received an endorsement, if required by this part, from an authorized instructor certifying that the applicant accomplished the appropriate ground-training or a home-study course required by this part for the certificate or rating sought and is prepared for the knowledge test;

(2) After July 31, 2014, for the knowledge test for an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category multiengine class rating, a graduation certificate for the airline transport pilot certification training program specified in §61.156; and

(3) Proper identification at the time of application that contains the applicant's—

(i) Photograph;

(ii) Signature;

(iii) Date of birth, which shows:

(A) For issuance of certificates other than the ATP certificate with an airplane category multiengine class rating, the applicant meets or will meet the age requirements of this part for the certificate sought before the expiration date of the airman knowledge test report;

(B) Prior to August 1, 2014, for issuance of an ATP certificate with an airplane category multiengine class rating under the aeronautical experience requirements of §§61.159 or 61.160, the applicant is at least 21 years of age at the time of the knowledge test; and

(C) After July 31, 2014, for issuance of an ATP certificate with an airplane category multiengine class rating obtained under the aeronautical experience requirements of §§61.159 or 61.160, the applicant is at least 18 years of age at the time of the knowledge test;

(iv) If the permanent mailing address is a post office box number, then the applicant must provide a current residential address.

(b) The Administrator shall specify the minimum passing grade for the knowledge test.



Am I reading this correctly, and does everyone else agree that this is what this actually says?

rickair7777

You're right.

Why? I suspect they don't want any new captains to sneak through without doing the new program after jul 2016.

Hawker445

There's another new Program?! This is separate from the Ground class to be endorsed to take the written?

rickair7777

No, just the ground training. But they want everybody who gets grandfathered to have taken the check ride by 2016. They don't want people obtaining ATP s under the old system years from now.

Flyboyxc91

I'm sorry I don't quite understand this... How is this grandfathering anyone? I think I may have this confused so help me understand... The FAA is making it so that anyone 21 years or older can take the ATP written right now before August 1, however after July 31st you can actually only be 18 to take the test...? Nobody is getting grandfathered though because they are moving it back and especially since it has no effect on 121 because you have to be 23 now to be hired?.... I'm new to all these ATP rules so I'm just trying to understand.

Flying Ninja

Before August 1, 2014, you need to be 21 to take the test. You then have 24 calendar months to take your ATP check ride. Thus, if you are 21, you will be 23 to be eligible for the ATP certificate. Sucks for the folks that turns 21 on July 31, as they will have exactly 1 day to pass that check ride.

After August 1, 2014, you fall under the new rules which permits a R-ATP (restricted ATP). This will allow you to be hired by an airline but you have to meet a laundry list of requirements to be able to obtain a R-ATP.

Long story short, take your ATP before August 1, 2014 if you can. If you can't, enjoy the added expense (up to $15,000) and have fun.

RMWRIGHT

hello all
anyone have any info on canadian atp holders who wishes to convert to an faa atp after aug 1st 2014 whether they have to do the CPT course ? if not, that would be a great loop hole. convert your faa commercial/ifr to canada commercial/ifr and then take the samra and saron written and then the practical test and get an atp in canada and
then take the faa conversion written test and you will get 2 atp for the price of one and save 10 to 15k by not having to take the CPT course

SkylaneRG

I thought we didn't need an endorsement for the ATP written?? I certainly wasn't planning on it..

Flying Ninja

You don't need an endorsement unless it's a retest after failure.

Twin Wasp

It's not required by this part. In the eligibility requirements for every other part 61 rating is a requirement for a signoff.