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08-23-2014 | 05:44 AM
#21
On Reserve
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From: Skinny girl. Long legs. Big engines.
Not to beat a dead horse, but have you considered the Air National Guard program? You can't buy better flight training at any price, and they'll PAY YOU to learn to fly, in jets, then the give you a job.
I did it both ways, started flying Cubs and C150's at FBO's, flew checks, then much later joined the Guard. My only regret is that I didn't join the Guard sooner!
I did it both ways, started flying Cubs and C150's at FBO's, flew checks, then much later joined the Guard. My only regret is that I didn't join the Guard sooner!
^^^^^This is great advice. I'm helping my nephew get on this track right now.
08-23-2014 | 06:19 AM
#23
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From: 747 Captain, retired
That disconnect is because "Regional Jets" didn't EXIST when we came up through the system, 30+ years ago.
There was no way in HELL any 500hr. 22yr. old kid was going to get a job in the right seat of a JET, with PEOPLE in the back, when we were flying checks at night in props, trying to build time to maybe one day get hired as a FLIGHT ENGINEER...
Then maybe, years and thousands of hours later, you'd get to the right seat of a jet...if your company didn't furlough you first.
I do fully support the 1500hr. rule, I only whish that when the RJ's were invented, it was already in place! They might never have grown to replace all the DC9's and 737-100+200's at the mainline in the first place!
There was no way in HELL any 500hr. 22yr. old kid was going to get a job in the right seat of a JET, with PEOPLE in the back, when we were flying checks at night in props, trying to build time to maybe one day get hired as a FLIGHT ENGINEER...
Then maybe, years and thousands of hours later, you'd get to the right seat of a jet...if your company didn't furlough you first.
I do fully support the 1500hr. rule, I only whish that when the RJ's were invented, it was already in place! They might never have grown to replace all the DC9's and 737-100+200's at the mainline in the first place!
08-23-2014 | 06:25 AM
#24
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From: 320 CA
Send him to ATP. Zero to Hero in 180 days, with a guaranteed CFI job at the end.
I used to be an instructor there, and yes the students miss out on the whole $100 hamburger experience, but you get through your ratings very fast and they have good relationships with regional airlines to move onwards after you work as a CFI.
Also, this is an excellent way to prepare for structured airline environments and 'drinking from the fire hose' as a previous poster said.
I used to be an instructor there, and yes the students miss out on the whole $100 hamburger experience, but you get through your ratings very fast and they have good relationships with regional airlines to move onwards after you work as a CFI.
Also, this is an excellent way to prepare for structured airline environments and 'drinking from the fire hose' as a previous poster said.
08-23-2014 | 06:31 AM
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From: 747 Captain, retired
It's all about timing. It can be the best job ever with lots of time at home with your family and enough cash to pay for your other half to stay at home for a few years. However if you get it wrong it can bankrupt you and your family chasing that dream.
Unfortunately none of us has a crystal ball so we will never know if our timing will be right.
Good luck to you all and krudawg glad you are retiring and I move up a number :-)
Unfortunately none of us has a crystal ball so we will never know if our timing will be right.
Good luck to you all and krudawg glad you are retiring and I move up a number :-)
08-23-2014 | 06:33 AM
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Send him to ATP. Zero to Hero in 180 days, with a guaranteed CFI job at the end.
I used to be an instructor there, and yes the students miss out on the whole $100 hamburger experience, but you get through your ratings very fast and they have good relationships with regional airlines to move onwards after you work as a CFI.
Also, this is an excellent way to prepare for structured airline environments and 'drinking from the fire hose' as a previous poster said.
I used to be an instructor there, and yes the students miss out on the whole $100 hamburger experience, but you get through your ratings very fast and they have good relationships with regional airlines to move onwards after you work as a CFI.
Also, this is an excellent way to prepare for structured airline environments and 'drinking from the fire hose' as a previous poster said.
08-23-2014 | 07:02 AM
#27
SDQ Base Chief
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From: 320 CA
For sure it isn't cheap. But it is still cheaper than doing all of your flying at ERAU. Send him to a local state school for a generic business degree and you can probably save some cash.
Dealing with the small mom and pop FBOs is great for someone who isn't in a rush to get things done.
Dealing with the small mom and pop FBOs is great for someone who isn't in a rush to get things done.
08-23-2014 | 07:07 AM
#29
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From: FAA 'Flight Check'
The 1500 Hour requirement is arbitrary and capricious. If the FAA wanted to increase safety of regional airline crews, they should have focused like a laser on those that commute in on a red-eye and then show up to work and fly their regular line. I've had several in my jumpseat when I flew Chicago and New York red-eyes. But, I will agree that the 1500hr rule will put upward pressure on pay for regionals and increase the supply of ex-military pilots flying regionals.
The 1500 hr rule is the best thing to come along for many reasons in a long time. I only wish it was 1500 across the board. NO exceptions.
08-23-2014 | 07:39 AM
#30
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
There's a lot to be learned between wet commercial and 1500. There's not as much to be learned between 1500 and say 2500, so 1500 is a good round number.
And anybody with less than 1500 has no business commenting on whether the 1500 rule is a good thing or not
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