Ever get a Fed on the SIM Jumpseat for days?
10-19-2014, 03:13 PM
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Because I've seen examiners evaluating to the same PTS have different definitions of "minor deviations" and "rapid corrections".
And during my "pre check" I had the Fed want to rewind the sim 4 times, not because I didn't do the circle to land properly, but he wanted to see what exactly I was using as a visual reference.
It was kind of unnerving.. Didn't know if I was doing it wrong, or if he was just curious.
And during my "pre check" I had the Fed want to rewind the sim 4 times, not because I didn't do the circle to land properly, but he wanted to see what exactly I was using as a visual reference.
It was kind of unnerving.. Didn't know if I was doing it wrong, or if he was just curious.
10-20-2014, 06:08 AM
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I think a fed observing something is fine. A fed constantly offering their opinion via chit chat and stopping training is unnerving and borderline harassment. I get the feeling from my interaction with the FAA that there are those who do not have a good appreciation for the amount of power they wield over a pilot's career and the responsibility that comes with that. Even the casual mention of something that could result in a license action is very upsetting. When you pay $7G plus for a 737 type and ATP ride, you don't expect that.
Having a fed sitting the jumpseat who just observes and then maybe offers salient points of advice after it is all said and done or maybe just saying "thanks for the ride, see you guys later"...I think everyone is fine with that.
Having a fed sitting the jumpseat who just observes and then maybe offers salient points of advice after it is all said and done or maybe just saying "thanks for the ride, see you guys later"...I think everyone is fine with that.
10-20-2014, 08:53 AM
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Here's a little insight...
If someone with checking authority (ie fed, DPE, check airman) deviates very far from the accepted script they've already decided that you're going to pass or that they're not going to veto you.
If someone fails (even a justified failure) when there were shenigans occurring or the event was off-script, that student now has ammo to make waves and nobody wants to deal with that.
When a checking event gets off track, I know I can relax...
If someone with checking authority (ie fed, DPE, check airman) deviates very far from the accepted script they've already decided that you're going to pass or that they're not going to veto you.
If someone fails (even a justified failure) when there were shenigans occurring or the event was off-script, that student now has ammo to make waves and nobody wants to deal with that.
When a checking event gets off track, I know I can relax...
10-20-2014, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Here's a little insight...
If someone with checking authority (ie fed, DPE, check airman) deviates very far from the accepted script they've already decided that you're going to pass or that they're not going to veto you.
If someone fails (even a justified failure) when there were shenigans occurring or the event was off-script, that student now has ammo to make waves and nobody wants to deal with that.
When a checking event gets off track, I know I can relax...
If someone with checking authority (ie fed, DPE, check airman) deviates very far from the accepted script they've already decided that you're going to pass or that they're not going to veto you.
If someone fails (even a justified failure) when there were shenigans occurring or the event was off-script, that student now has ammo to make waves and nobody wants to deal with that.
When a checking event gets off track, I know I can relax...
10-21-2014, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Here's a little insight...
If someone with checking authority (ie fed, DPE, check airman) deviates very far from the accepted script they've already decided that you're going to pass or that they're not going to veto you.
If someone with checking authority (ie fed, DPE, check airman) deviates very far from the accepted script they've already decided that you're going to pass or that they're not going to veto you.
"Accepted script?"
10-21-2014, 08:59 PM
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Engine start, engine start malfunction, taxi, don't cross the hold short line, t/o, stalls, steep turns, various standard approaches, a few single engine. A V-1 cut, a couple holds after a missed.
Every check ride is the same.... You know if you did well enough to pass
Every check ride is the same.... You know if you did well enough to pass
10-22-2014, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun;
Every check ride is the same.... You know if you did well enough to pass
If you are fortunate enough to work for a company that has a quality training dept that is staffed by quality instructors/check airman then the checkrides are the same.
At scumbag companies I have witnessed a student being given a BS checkride and one in which a fed was observing a training day and wanted to fail a guy on a PC prep. The fed showed up the next day for the PC and made sure the guy got a bust on his ride. The CP showed up the next day and did the exact same ride and made the exact same "mistake" but yet he did not fail. I was on the the panel or the obsv seat for both rides.
I have been given a BS ride but I knew about 1/3 of they way through it that I was going to pass one way or another.
Ever had a four hour oral?
So saying that all checkrides are the same is naive.
10-22-2014, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Thedude
Ever had a four hour oral?
My A&P oral was eight hours, with an eight hour practical the following day.
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