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Old 04-03-2015 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PerfInit
Now for the other part- FAA completes Form 8020-23 for accidents. PIC's name will be listed. These forms are a permanent record in the airman's file. It is possible that the student's name will also be listed, but only as an occupant. The OP might want to make a FOIA request to get a copy of the accident report, particularly to see if his name is listed therein.
That's what I thought. Because information about total hours, hours in type and hours last year, which the chief pilot asked me was as I think for this 8020-23 form. So I think I need to request my pilot record from FAA.
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Old 04-03-2015 | 05:20 PM
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Hi guys,
We ( me and my instructor ) had an incident, gear up landing. It was my second flight in Arrow, working on complex aircraft endorsement. The circumstances were a bit unusual, everything happened too fast, plus the gear warning horn didn't work after full flaps extended, so we're overlooked the three greens and landed gear up. FAA visited the school and interviewed only my instructor and told him to do 907 ride and his record is going show this incident for 5 years. They never talked to me. Chief pilot called and asked me how many hours I have in type, last 90 days and last year. My question is how it will affect my record?
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What was "unusual" about it?

You're going to be asked if you've ever been involved in an accident or incident. For the remainder of your career, the answer to that question is "yes."

When given the chance to explain, it shouldn't be a problem. The difficulty arises when you're asked that during the application process, and that ends the process for you.

When you are asked about it, make sure you can give a thorough, detailed account, and whatever you do, don't try to pass it off on the instructor. Paint it as a learning experience (as it will be), and move on.
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Old 04-03-2015 | 08:54 PM
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Old 04-04-2015 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bbj7
That's what I thought. Because information about total hours, hours in type and hours last year, which the chief pilot asked me was as I think for this 8020-23 form. So I think I need to request my pilot record from FAA.
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-23 forms do not go in airman files, so you won't see anything. When a company makes a pria request to the FAA, the accident/incident will show on the PICs record, but yours should not show anything. The FAA knows you were there, but that information is not used for anything. It's always a great idea to get a copy of your pilot records though.
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Old 04-04-2015 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
-23 forms do not go in airman files, so you won't see anything. When a company makes a pria request to the FAA, the accident/incident will show on the PICs record, but yours should not show anything. The FAA knows you were there, but that information is not used for anything. It's always a great idea to get a copy of your pilot records though.
Thank you for your answer! What about FOIA request? Is it going to show an incident in that request?
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Old 04-04-2015 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bbj7
Thank you for your answer! What about FOIA request? Is it going to show an incident in that request?
If what is being FOIAed is your pilot record, probably not, because like I said, -23s don't go into your airman record files kept by OKC. Get your records to be sure of course.
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Old 04-04-2015 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
If what is being FOIAed is your pilot record, probably not, because like I said, -23s don't go into your airman record files kept by OKC. Get your records to be sure of course.
I definitely will. What's the way of obtaining the pilot records? Mail request to the FAA or visit local FSDO?
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Old 04-04-2015 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bbj7
I definitely will. What's the way of obtaining the pilot records? Mail request to the FAA or visit local FSDO?
Found in about 30s with Google

https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certifi...ation_records/
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Old 04-04-2015 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Yes, that's what I meant by mailing the request to the FAA. Also I have read somewhere that it is possible to get it at the local FSDO.
Thank you for the info and for your help!
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Old 04-05-2015 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bbj7
Yes, that's what I meant by mailing the request to the FAA. Also I have read somewhere that it is possible to get it at the local FSDO.
Thank you for the info and for your help!
No, has to come from OKC, sorry.
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