VA Changing the rules for flight training
04-12-2015, 04:08 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Let's not forget that the military pilot has all his training paid for and lives his career at a substantially higher pay with greater benefits than any equivalent civil position, particularly with regard to the level of experience and time in service.
The civil pilot, in the meantime, has paid for his own training, and his military counterpart's training, and for the service member separating and using the GI bill, that person's flight training, too.
The civil pilot, in the meantime, has paid for his own training, and his military counterpart's training, and for the service member separating and using the GI bill, that person's flight training, too.
04-12-2015, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
There have been many of us who have spent more that a year on deployment.
I for one am using the gi bill for my flight training after giving 9 years of my life living underwater.
I for one am using the gi bill for my flight training after giving 9 years of my life living underwater.
None of it underwater, however. To this day that's a wold that I can't quite wrap my mind around, and hat's off to those who do.
04-12-2015, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Let's not forget that the military pilot has all his training paid for and lives his career at a substantially higher pay with greater benefits than any equivalent civil position, particularly with regard to the level of experience and time in service.
The civil pilot, in the meantime, has paid for his own training, and his military counterpart's training, and for the service member separating and using the GI bill, that person's flight training, too.
A police officer and a firefighter spend their careers for far less money, putting their lives on the line. Nobody offers them flight training as a perk. On and on it goes. Everyone else has to foot the bill for their own training, and scratch their own career out of the rock.
The civil pilot, in the meantime, has paid for his own training, and his military counterpart's training, and for the service member separating and using the GI bill, that person's flight training, too.
A police officer and a firefighter spend their careers for far less money, putting their lives on the line. Nobody offers them flight training as a perk. On and on it goes. Everyone else has to foot the bill for their own training, and scratch their own career out of the rock.
Let's also not forget that the military is not training you to be a pilot, they are training you to be an officer and a warrior. The elevated level of pay and benefits is typically a product of the elevated level of responsibility you hold. Being a good pilot is expected; being a good officer and military professional is rewarded.
The civil pilot has certainly paid for their own training, but so has a lawyer or business professional. Do they also hold the same grudge against separating military who train for a new career on the American public's dime? Tell them to vote their opinion.
Police officers and firefighters ARE offered flight training as a perk! It just depends on the department. The federal government has more resources to provide this benefit so it is far rarer for a local government to recruit their aviation departments from their own ranks.
JohnBurke, all of your posts here indicate you have some sort of grudge. Get over it. It's petty and immature.
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06-05-2015, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Payd2Fly
Maybe you should sack up, join up and put your theory to the test. You strike me as the kind of guy who gains a lot of courage from behind your keyboard.
If it were up to me, I'd say cops and fire fighters should also get such a great benefit as the GI Bill or something of the kind. But they don't have to go and die in a ****-hole land for someone else's cause. Someone said, "year deployment isn't exactly a hardship" well maybe for the most part. But how many families have endured that over the years? Year on, year off deployments? Or sitting in a C.O.P on some crap mountain in Afghanistan getting shot at daily by an enemy we can't defeat?
It makes me physically irritated when non-military guys/gals or even worse someone that once was military chip in their 2 cents on how we should not ***** about the GI Bill. ****es me off!
But there is hope. I've talked to a school in Vegas, and their affiliate in VA and there are schools that are already prepping for this Bill change and we can still get our training done. Thankfully!
So don't despair. I was pretty worried too but we will still be able to get our flight training. It just will have restrictions and if schools are ethical and diligent, they will provide training within the VA constraints. Let's just hope they can deliver under such restraints and the VA don't fully pull the funding.
06-06-2015, 02:09 PM
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No response yet. The bill has had some movement when it was first introduced, but there hasn't been any action on it since April when it was Forwarded by Subcommittee to Full Committee in the Nature of a Substitute (Amended) by Voice Vote.
06-07-2015, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ASaintBernard
I paid for all of my flight training and a college out of pocket. You will find a lot of people don't really disagree with what the bill is proposing. I don't have an opinion either way but flight training and college can be bought with wages earned and not just the GI Bill.
Confused with no understanding how you think a guy that goes to the military doesn't earn those benefits. We do many things for very little pay and that is one of the things we have EARNED. You sir can go and do the same thing no one is stopping you.
06-08-2015, 01:29 PM
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Blaquehawk99,
My Son is finishing up his senior year at Kent State in the aviation Tech program
(Pilot) this is the first I heard of this and you have my attention. keep us posted if you hear anything else. I'll watch the status of this proposal as well. Hopefully, like all things in the government it will take years....or better yet die on the vine so others can utilize this earned benefit.
My Son is finishing up his senior year at Kent State in the aviation Tech program
(Pilot) this is the first I heard of this and you have my attention. keep us posted if you hear anything else. I'll watch the status of this proposal as well. Hopefully, like all things in the government it will take years....or better yet die on the vine so others can utilize this earned benefit.
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