flyboy275

I have a feeling I already know the answer to this, but I felt the need to chime in and see what you guys had to say.

I am currently a Commercially rated Multi guy flying right seat for a part 135 on demand op. Butt load of KA200 time and a SIC only LR-Jet type with all associated endorsements as such. Have right about 1000TT with 750 of it twin engine turbine in a 135 crew enviroment.

Here is the kicker. I went to ATP, grabbed my Multi commercial inital, interviewed on a whim and got my current gig. Well it has been about 2 years and I have decided not to re-sign a training contract (Whole other can of worms all together) What I can say that it was not my best move constructively for future employment.

I have noticed a lot of 135 ops out there flying PC-12's, Caravans...etc and they have sort of blown my skirt up for 1. Me being so close to 135 PIC mins, and 2. Better quality of life until I reach that magical 1500.

My question: Would I have to go back and remedially train for a Commercial Single, or in some way, shape, or form....would someone with my experience be able to get it knocked out through an Inital checkride with one of these single engined companies? Waiver? Weird Op Spec? Or am I just destined to add it on in a 172? Something to think about while I am shopping around for my next move. Of course I would like to keep with a twin spinner, just thinking constructively.

JohnBurke

Huh?

What are you asking?

If you've got a thousand hours of flight time, regardless of what you've been flying, that's not a "butt load" of time in anything. Don't get too impressed with your experience.

In order to act as pilot in command, you need to be rated, category and class. Are you saying that you don't have single engine airplane land on your commercial pilot certificate?

flyboy275

My apologies if I came off conceited. Not my intention at all. To answer your question. Yes I do not have a single engine airplane land on my commercial cert.

My main goal is not to be a pt135 PIC. However I know I am creeping up on the 1200. I do understand that I have to be rated in both category and class. Just wondering if there is a mechanism within certain operations that would knock out adding a single engine airplane land through a part135 single engine PIC/SIC inital.

JohnBurke

It's possible that if you were to do your checkride with either a FAA inspector, or a company check airman with designated examining status, the person doing the checkride might agree to fulfill both actions during the check. That would be unusual, however.

Most companies won't consider you for a position unless first you have the basic qualification for the job, which would include being appropriately rated in the aircraft.

An exception to that is obtaining a type rating and the ATP; in some cases you will be able to take the ATP ride at the same time as the type ride, because a type ride is done to ATP standards and they can easily cover the same ground.

In order to obtain a single engine land rating on your commercial during a 135 checkride, the person providing the checkride would need examining status granted by the FAA, or be an FAA inspector.

flynhighaf23

So let me fully understand this here, you DO have a CSEL rating on your commercial certificate, but you haven't flown any single engine planes in a couple years and you're just wanting to get current so you can find a job flying a Pilatus or Caravan right?

I don't think any checkride will be necessary to my understanding. If anything you could just find a CFI and have them give you a flight review in a single engine airplane and you should be good to go.

JohnBurke

The original poster stated that he does not hold commercial privileges in single engine land aircraft.

Toonces

You are stuck getting a commercial ASEL. It's an added rating so the checkride will be a bit quicker. You should be able to knock it out in the minimum required hours - maybe 10-15. Good luck with those chandelles.


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JohnBurke

He should be able to knock it out with just a checkride. 10-15 hours? Ridiculous. He's already done most of what he needs to do on the checkride, in the multi.

LostInPA

As someone who did the Commercial AMEL before the Commercial ASEL, it's just a few simple maneuvers that you need to do. I cannot find my commercial PTS book to confirm, but I recall doing chandelles, lazy eights, the power-off 180, and eights on pylons. Very straightforward checkride and I enjoyed taking a break from the IFR environment for a short time.

Best of luck. Enjoy it.

spikemath

There will be no minimum required hours. Find a local flight school and get checked out in their Cessna/Archer/Katana, then have the instructor teach you the maneuvers. Go up on your own a couple times to practice. Like mentioned before it is a very simple checkride. Shouldn't cost you more than $1500 including the checkride.