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LAXative 03-14-2016 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by Boxer94 (Post 2088594)
I'm not blaming anyone , I'm just stating what happen . I have taken the blame for it.

IF that's the case, you are not very good at selling it to them. ALL they see is your FOUR failures and visions of Marvin Renslow part deux.

You really need to give up on the regionals for now and try some 135 operators that will hire you to be a gear monkey and not much else. If you can build a track record of passing 135 rides with regularity, the regionals might re-evaluate you in a few years.

Boxer94 03-14-2016 07:38 AM

I did that for a year and had to quit , I couldn't afford my bills .

LAXative 03-14-2016 08:03 AM

What were you flying for that 135? and what were your terms and conditions? How many 135 letters did you get?

Boxer94 03-14-2016 08:06 AM

I was an sic in a Pilatus getting ready for an upgrade . I have letters from all of my employers , where I used to instruct , where I flew pipeline and from my company I just left l. I was feeling good about going in to interview but now I'm feeling as if I should just forget about it .

LAXative 03-14-2016 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Boxer94 (Post 2088615)
I was an sic in a Pilatus getting ready for an upgrade . I have letters from all of my employers , where I used to instruct , where I flew pipeline and from my company I just left l. I was feeling good about going in to interview but now I'm feeling as if I should just forget about it .

So, the only 135 letter you have is as a copilot in plane that doesn't require one. You quit while getting ready to upgrade, why? That's a big red flag to a recruiter. They might think you were afraid of taking a 135 PIC checkride and afraid to assume command.

I think it's best that you re-think your aviation career and focus your job search to more terrestrial endeavors.

Mistek89 03-14-2016 08:43 AM

Best of luck

Boxer94 03-14-2016 08:45 AM

There was pay no raise in sight and I couldn't afford to live on the salary , so I choose to move back to my hometown.

bedrock 03-14-2016 08:47 AM

Well, welcome to the "airline" world--full of wannabe hardazzes.

I totally believe your story about the FSDO. The flight school I went to had everyone pass the CFI, until one new guy at the FSDO showed up and started failing everybody, because they didn't teach THE WAY He Wanted. Remember the saying "I'm here from the FAA, and I'm here to help"?. Ever heard "Mike Colgan is a friend of this [FSDO] office?" Our school stopped using the FSDO which was on the field and the owner took it up the chain of command. With that said, you're going to have to learn to be an actor in this field. Hold your convictions, but play the game. "Own your mistakes" is sometimes code word for "eat crow so I, the examiner/interviewer am vindicated in my narrow little view". Esp. in the airlines, which has a fair amt. of instructors who never were a CFI, have no clue what the FOI's are and don't care AND who still think their job is to "wash you out", rather than instruct.

Regionals are going to hire you with 4 busts, because they have no choice and they have training depts. to do their own evaluating. If you get thru training and do well, and keep passing checkrides, those 4 busts will dim on your resume. Don't let someone on this board with their own twisted motives decide your career. Also beware the "old school" guys, There's a lot to be learned from them, but you have to separate good advice from jaded or entrenched opinion. KEEP AT IT and bust your butt! You will make it! P.S. you gotta have thick skin; just wait 'till you get on line and have to do a month of 4 days with "a captain on everyone else's no fly list".

LAXative 03-14-2016 09:19 AM

Why do you want sub-standard pilots flying in the NAS?

JohnBurke 03-14-2016 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by Boxer94 (Post 2088534)
I'm just stating what happend , and when you drop a wing , you will lose heading ( directional control ) and I went past the tolerance .

No, you will not lose heading, unless you fail to control the airplane. That's the whole point of the practical test standard: you're supposed to be competent enough to maintain heading.

You DO understand that a wing dropping does NOT equate to a heading change unless you allow it, RIGHT??


Originally Posted by Boxer94 (Post 2088648)
There was pay no raise in sight and I couldn't afford to live on the salary , so I choose to move back to my hometown.

And yet you took the job, knowing the salary.


Originally Posted by Boxer94 (Post 2088534)
All I'm doing is explaining what happend , And the other Fsdo had an examiner that was actually there to see you succeed not just intimidate you and nit pick . I never once said I'm blaming it on somebody .

No, you didn't say you're blaming it on someone. You didn't have to. You said you failed because you chose the wrong FSDO. You don't have to say you're putting the blame elsewhere, because it's very obvious that you are. You keep saying it, over and over and over.

You're not explaining jack. You're making excuses.

The airplane dropped a wing, and a heading can't be held with a wing "dropped." It's shocking that the rest of the pilot population might be able to bank and yet hold a heading, but you can't, and subsequently fail, and it's the fault of the FSDO, because if you'd chosen a place that goes easier on you, they'd have let it slide...so your failure is going to the wrong FSDO You've repeated it several times now. There's no question that your blame is on the FSDO for failing you, and you're taking a round about way of saying it. Your failure, you say, is going to the wrong FSDO...should have gone somewhere easier. You're making excuses, trying to transfer the blame to the "wrong FSDO," and you keep insisting that basic aircraft control isn't possible...when a wing drops, the heading changes, you say.

Why do you suppose that even private pilots are given practical standards to uphold...because it's impossible, and no one can do it? Or perhaps because it's easily within the realm of any pilot worth his weight in wet salt, and it's expected that you can do this simple thing, if you want to pass the checkride?

Four checkride busts. You ARE the same that posted as Flat408. Deny it all you want. Your situations are identical. You've posted under a third name recently too, I believe. Your syntax, excuses, and situation are practically identical. There's no question that you're the same person, and your denial of that also speaks volumes for you.

Your initial posts sounded like two busts, but just like Flat408, you've busted four times, haven't made it very far or to a PIC position, are quitting early, and your'e making the same excuses. You're the same person.


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