Norwegian adds Denver and Seattle
06-24-2017, 04:33 AM
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Let's just keep it simple...
Friends don't let friends fly B-787 for 110k/year and 10 days off a month... Stop and think about that for a minute. A brand new, first year 737 FO at Southwest can make that pretty easily in his first year.
At this point, there is simply no need for any American to go work for NAI. If you want to work for a foreign company, PLENTY of them pay far better than NAI...
NAI is a stepping stone for many European pilots who do just that - get their time, and bolt off to the sandbox or Asia where the pay is more up to par.
Friends don't let friends fly B-787 for 110k/year and 10 days off a month... Stop and think about that for a minute. A brand new, first year 737 FO at Southwest can make that pretty easily in his first year.
At this point, there is simply no need for any American to go work for NAI. If you want to work for a foreign company, PLENTY of them pay far better than NAI...
NAI is a stepping stone for many European pilots who do just that - get their time, and bolt off to the sandbox or Asia where the pay is more up to par.
06-24-2017, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
At this point, there is simply no need for any American to go work for NAI. If you want to work for a foreign company, PLENTY of them pay far better than NAI...
NAI is a stepping stone for many European pilots who do just that - get their time, and bolt off to the sandbox or Asia where the pay is more up to par.
NAI is a stepping stone for many European pilots who do just that - get their time, and bolt off to the sandbox or Asia where the pay is more up to par.
That's just it, you don't have to risk posing with a newspaper on Al Jazeera or dining on goat by moving to sandbox city. Does 110K on a Dreamliner sound better than 70K flying 80 legs a month for C&P regional? The universe is equally indifferent to gnashing of teeth and BB browbeating. If NAI can staff their expansion & manage to pay for it by generating sufficient traffic at break-even or better pricing, they survive to earn another day. The flag of convenience dog didn't hunt. As far as legal challenges go, seems imperative to hold on to whatever air freedom protections remain effective.
06-24-2017, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Caveman
FX, UPS, DL, UA, AA, SWA...have raised the bar of compensation and benefits for the professional pilots across ALL segments of the aviation labor pool.
What have the pilots of the NAI scheme done to support those efforts?
I said it in the other thread, look no further than the current employers of the supporters of NAI on these and other forums.
What have the pilots of the NAI scheme done to support those efforts?
I said it in the other thread, look no further than the current employers of the supporters of NAI on these and other forums.
I would still like an answer as to how my employment with an Icelandic airline will tell you anything about how NAI is set up.
06-24-2017, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Let's just keep it simple...
Friends don't let friends fly B-787 for 110k/year and 10 days off a month... Stop and think about that for a minute. A brand new, first year 737 FO at Southwest can make that pretty easily in his first year.
At this point, there is simply no need for any American to go work for NAI. If you want to work for a foreign company, PLENTY of them pay far better than NAI...
NAI is a stepping stone for many European pilots who do just that - get their time, and bolt off to the sandbox or Asia where the pay is more up to par.
Friends don't let friends fly B-787 for 110k/year and 10 days off a month... Stop and think about that for a minute. A brand new, first year 737 FO at Southwest can make that pretty easily in his first year.
At this point, there is simply no need for any American to go work for NAI. If you want to work for a foreign company, PLENTY of them pay far better than NAI...
NAI is a stepping stone for many European pilots who do just that - get their time, and bolt off to the sandbox or Asia where the pay is more up to par.
06-24-2017, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by awax
You're only lying to yourself.
A 3 year training bond for a job that pays half (or less) of industry standard rates, clearly NAI is attracting the best and brightest.
A 3 year training bond for a job that pays half (or less) of industry standard rates, clearly NAI is attracting the best and brightest.
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06-25-2017, 12:16 AM
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In the future as I understand it these pilots could Unionize under US labor law as they are based in the US. This was one of the main reasons Cathay Pacific discontinued much of their cargo expansion in the US and used Canadian bases instead. It might be a good chance to get in on the ground floor if it ever goes seniority based. Any new company will have issues in the beginning but 20 years later can be drastically different. You have to look no further than FedEX, Southwest, UPS and others to see how things can change and get better with time. All you can do is make an educated guess at who will be the long standing survivor and winner. My bet is on LCCs and nothing is stopping Jet Blue, Spirit, Southwest or Alaska group from jumping into these North Atlantic markets using a similar LCC model.
06-25-2017, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by EXPAT1
My bet is on LCCs and nothing is stopping Jet Blue, Spirit, Southwest or Alaska group from jumping into these North Atlantic markets using a similar LCC model.
To be honest, as a legacy carrier we currently evaluate opering east coast flights back to back with one crew of three pilots, which is more economical than two crews of two pilots for both flights. Not to mention that it cuts out the timezone difference.
06-25-2017, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Denti
Exactly, they do will have the same benefit of new technology planes and can compete on what was formerly known as longhaul flying. They might have to do it with three pilots instead of two, and might not have the benefit of the €1500/month 80 hour FO, but as they are a known quantity in the US they will have their userbase to draw from.
To be honest, as a legacy carrier we currently evaluate opering east coast flights back to back with one crew of three pilots, which is more economical than two crews of two pilots for both flights. Not to mention that it cuts out the timezone difference.
To be honest, as a legacy carrier we currently evaluate opering east coast flights back to back with one crew of three pilots, which is more economical than two crews of two pilots for both flights. Not to mention that it cuts out the timezone difference.
2) Please tell me what pilot group is going to support such a massive manpower negative move?
Sounds like some peon middle manager thinks he's got a great idea. He doesn't...
06-25-2017, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
1) Three man crew blocks a first class seat on every flight. On the razor thin margin transcon market that is a crud idea.
2) Please tell me what pilot group is going to support such a massive manpower negative move?
Sounds like some peon middle manager thinks he's got a great idea. He doesn't...
2) Please tell me what pilot group is going to support such a massive manpower negative move?
Sounds like some peon middle manager thinks he's got a great idea. He doesn't...
1) No first class seat, at most it would block a business seat. However, it could just block a container position for the crew bunks. On newer designs like the 787 or A350 it wouldn't block anything, the crew rest area is above the passenger cabin anyway.
2) It is not in those stages, but currently our CLA and regulatory rules would not prevent that. And there is even a case to be made for the flight crew, as it gives a huge amount of hours in a short time, no timezone difference therefore no jetlag problem, and rest time at home instead of the same old hotel somewhere in the outskirts.
06-27-2017, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Denti
1) No first class seat, at most it would block a business seat. However, it could just block a container position for the crew bunks. On newer designs like the 787 or A350 it wouldn't block anything, the crew rest area is above the passenger cabin anyway.
2) It is not in those stages, but currently our CLA and regulatory rules would not prevent that. And there is even a case to be made for the flight crew, as it gives a huge amount of hours in a short time, no timezone difference therefore no jetlag problem, and rest time at home instead of the same old hotel somewhere in the outskirts.
2) It is not in those stages, but currently our CLA and regulatory rules would not prevent that. And there is even a case to be made for the flight crew, as it gives a huge amount of hours in a short time, no timezone difference therefore no jetlag problem, and rest time at home instead of the same old hotel somewhere in the outskirts.
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