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Old 10-22-2019, 11:25 AM   #21  
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It seems us pilots have quite a need to feel respected.

“When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.”
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If that what you’ve opined after reading this thread, it’s because it’s what you wanted to. I’ve seen no US Captain complaining about a lack of respect. Just several Expats talking about how much better it is in their World, and how painful it is to ride on US carriers now.

Ok, I just reread the thread and stabapch did suggest US Captains weren’t respected. One post got you to “US Captains are full of themselves and need to feel respected.”
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Old 10-26-2019, 06:52 AM   #22  
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The treatment overall of the flight crew is far better in many companies abroad than it is in the US, by far! You will never get attitude from a gate agent or a dispatcher for example, never! The different groups (ground staff, operations folks etc.) Seem to be more in tune with working together to have the operation work smoothly, as opposed to the US where the different groups are always protecting their little "island of power" you will never have some scheduler snap back at you or tell you to talk to the union if you don't like it, I've had people from operations hang up the phone on me because I called for a lav service during a quick turnaround, as opposed to never having to call anyone for that in the 13 years that I have been working in japan for example! I've never had to call to ask where is the crew transport, nor have I called to arrange a reservation for the company checker because the company forgot to do it, these things just don't happen in many companies abroad as it is pretty much standard operations at airlines in the US, Do you encounter situations like that often in the US? Well, no but they do happen.

It is not about captains being full of themselves or anything like that, it is just a comparison based on our experience working in different markets, it is a fact that the entire operation is more respectful of the flight crew.
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Now, haven said that! Training is an area where it is much better in the US, training (Specially in Asia) it's a ridiculous culture game where the adjustment to their way is for more important than airmanship! How well you fly is of little relevance as long as you do their stupid calls and you do the theater performance as the little movie script dictates.

The training in the US is far superior and much more pragmatic and practical than what they think is training here in Asia!
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The treatment overall of the flight crew is far better in many companies abroad than it is in the US, by far! You will never get attitude from a gate agent or a dispatcher for example, never! The different groups (ground staff, operations folks etc.) Seem to be more in tune with working together to have the operation work smoothly, as opposed to the US where the different groups are always protecting their little "island of power" you will never have some scheduler snap back at you or tell you to talk to the union if you don't like it, I've had people from operations hang up the phone on me because I called for a lav service during a quick turnaround, as opposed to never having to call anyone for that in the 13 years that I have been working in japan for example! I've never had to call to ask where is the crew transport, nor have I called to arrange a reservation for the company checker because the company forgot to do it, these things just don't happen in many companies abroad as it is pretty much standard operations at airlines in the US, Do you encounter situations like that often in the US? Well, no but they do happen.

It is not about captains being full of themselves or anything like that, it is just a comparison based on our experience working in different markets, it is a fact that the entire operation is more respectful of the flight crew.
My Sentiments exactly!
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Old 11-01-2019, 11:47 PM   #25  
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Now, haven said that! Training is an area where it is much better in the US, training (Specially in Asia) it's a ridiculous culture game where the adjustment to their way is for more important than airmanship! How well you fly is of little relevance as long as you do their stupid calls and you do the theater performance as the little movie script dictates.

The training in the US is far superior and much more pragmatic and practical than what they think is training here in Asia!
In my experience, yes and no. Training in Asia was terrible when I was there.

In my current company, training is excellent. We have the same type of authorization (AQP) as the US has for once-a-year training, but we still do 2 days (8 hours of Sim) every 6 months, and everything is graded and goes into our permanent record. We do multiple LOFT type scenarios and they are very challenging. I continually feel "stretched" by our training, more so than I ever did in the USA.

Having said that, I will add that most of the pilots overseas come up through a "multi-pilot training program" where they get a "frozen ATP" and they are in the right seat of a narrow body jet right out of flight school. They have 2,000-3,000+ hours in a narrow body before my current company hires them, so they know how to operate a jet in the airline environment. BUT, these MPL training programs emphasize procedures as a compensation for low experience, and it just doesn't cut it in my view. Also, the foreign airlines emphasize use of automation and they download the flight data without any union oversight or de-identification of crew, so everyone lives in fear of making a mistake, which results in more dependency on automation. The result is a lack of stick and rudder skills, automation dependency, and emphasis on procedure over common sense or airmanship. The USA style system that brings a guy/gal up through flight instructing or flying night freight to build PIC experience is second to none in my view, but it is simply impossible in most of the world. It is only the USA, Australia and New Zealand that have a significant general aviation base to provide that kind of experience.
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