frozenboxhauler

I was in Japan last week and was told by two different people that JAL/JAS had cancelled all of their pilot contracts with foreign nationals. any one else hear this?
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CloudSailor

Sadly it's true.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/fo...37712-jal.html

frozenboxhauler

Thanks Cloud, what a shame.
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flyboy8272

I think, during economic times like these, that US companies should be required to lay off all non-US citizens before laying of any US citizens... it's happening elsewhere! Protect our own!

cactusmike

Sure, trash the seniority list for xenophobia? Good luck with that. If someone is flying for a US carrier then they have a right to live and work in the USA.

Pilotpip

How is that not a double standard? They're doing that to Americans with the right to live and work in other countries according to this.

Colnago

It's far from a double standard because this pertains to contracting agencies of foreign nationals. It doesn't pertain to legal permanent residents of Japan. In other words, you could have been born in the US, fallen in love with a Japanese girl, married her, moved over there, obtained permanent residency in Japan and this wouldn't have applied to you because you're not part of some contracting agency. Same deal w/ the US.

ImEbee

The difference is there is a much longer and complicated procecess to get a green card in the US versus foeign pilot contracts overseas. While its tough to see news of US pilots suffering from protectionism, its just not how our economy operates. Laying off foeign workers before Americans would seriously deepen the problems in our economy but would also seriously affect its recovery.

I mean really, we all know non-citizens who work our companies. Would you tell them to their face that you would rather see them laid off out of seniority just because they are not American?

Colnago

Well see, it's not so simple as some people would *like* it to be for whatever selfish reasons. You currently have legal non-citizens injecting money into our economy through consumer spending which in turn helps sustain whatever jobs we still have. To lay off green card holders would be unfair for just that reason, especially when they have undergone the LONG process to obtain the right to permanently live in this country. That's the whole point of obtaining permanent residency.

With regards to the JAL thing, I could see it being a double-standard if JAL would be laying off legal PERMANENT RESIDENTS of Japan. However, they're not doing that. They're laying off CONTRACT workers. As such, the whole idea of a double standard is just some bickering because people are very touchy right now in this economy and they resort to being xenophobes. It's an easy mentality!

If foreigners going to work contracts in Japan want to be protected from JAL layoffs, they could go the hard route like everyone else does who comes to the US and gets a green card and US FAA licenses. They can apply for Japanese permanent residency, and begin certification towards JCAB certification.

This world isn't easy, and I puke at the sense of entitlement some people have. There aren't any shortcuts.

ImEbee

Agreed. My point was do those who pop off about Americans first really feel that way or are they reacting in fustration? Because when has the US ever benefited from "closing the borders" per say?