Air France 447
06-01-2009, 08:38 AM
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I should have posted this instead, since most poeple are more likely to watch a youtube than read.
YouTube - A Pilot's Tour of ADS-B
YouTube - A Pilot's Tour of ADS-B
06-01-2009, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SebastianDesoto
I should have posted this instead, since most poeple are more likely to watch a youtube than read.
YouTube - A Pilot's Tour of ADS-B
YouTube - A Pilot's Tour of ADS-B
06-01-2009, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mynameisjim
Maybe, but an 8 minute video?
By the way, I apologize for almost turning this thread into an ADS-B thread. It would not likely have helped in this case.
I fear the worst in this case. Hope for the best.
06-01-2009, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Talon1011
To my knowledge Turbulence (CAT) has often caused damage but has never caused a hull loss. Thunderstorms, on the other hand, have caused a great many.
I thought that Clear Air Turbulence (CAT) is associated with the jet stream and/or winds aloft rather than weather.....in the case of the BOAC flight, the turbulence could be CAT as no convective in area at time of accident.
BOAC Flight 911 707-436 Series, Mt Fuji, Japan
5 Mar 1966
124 fatalities
11 Crew
113 Passengers
In-flight breakup
From accident investigation report: "Probable cause - The aircraft suddenly encountered abnormally severe turbulence over Gotemba City which imposed a gust load considerably in excess of the design limit."
Braniff Flight 250 BAC 1-11 200 series, Falls City, Nebraska
6 Aug 1966
42 fatalieites
4 Crew
38 Passengers
In-flight breakup
From accident investigation report: "Probable cause: Inflight structrual failure caused by extreme turbulence during operation of the aircraft in an area of avoidable hazardous weather"
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06-01-2009, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PiperPower
From CNN
"There is no reason they can not land in the water, as we've seen. Planes have floats."
"There is no reason they can not land in the water, as we've seen. Planes have floats."
Must have missed that day in G.S. when they talk about the optional floats.
Regardless of the media's "professional reporting", the story is sad all the way around.
06-01-2009, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by olympic
Did CNN just say this ???
CNN: "They do quite well if ditched by an experienced pilot as we've seen"
CNN: "They do quite well if ditched by an experienced pilot as we've seen"
Sure ditching on a River is cake when is day, the winds are calm and the water is glassy instead of ditching at night, with a major electrical failure in the ocean where is pitch black during a thunderstorm with 10-12 feet swells, coming from all directions. CNN & FoxNews are a bunch of clownshoes...
My condolences to the family of the passengers and pilots, im sure they tried their best.
06-01-2009, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by RickJames
Here are two examples that come to mind right away that associate extreme turbulence with hull loss. There are more but I don't remember the specifics.
I thought that Clear Air Turbulence (CAT) is associated with the jet stream and/or winds aloft rather than weather.....in the case of the BOAC flight, the turbulence could be CAT as no convective in area at time of accident.
BOAC Flight 911 707-436 Series, Mt Fuji, Japan
5 Mar 1966
124 fatalities
11 Crew
113 Passengers
In-flight breakup
From accident investigation report: "Probable cause - The aircraft suddenly encountered abnormally severe turbulence over Gotemba City which imposed a gust load considerably in excess of the design limit."
Braniff Flight 250 BAC 1-11 200 series, Falls City, Nebraska
6 Aug 1966
42 fatalieites
4 Crew
38 Passengers
In-flight breakup
From accident investigation report: "Probable cause: Inflight structrual failure caused by extreme turbulence during operation of the aircraft in an area of avoidable hazardous weather"
I thought that Clear Air Turbulence (CAT) is associated with the jet stream and/or winds aloft rather than weather.....in the case of the BOAC flight, the turbulence could be CAT as no convective in area at time of accident.
BOAC Flight 911 707-436 Series, Mt Fuji, Japan
5 Mar 1966
124 fatalities
11 Crew
113 Passengers
In-flight breakup
From accident investigation report: "Probable cause - The aircraft suddenly encountered abnormally severe turbulence over Gotemba City which imposed a gust load considerably in excess of the design limit."
Braniff Flight 250 BAC 1-11 200 series, Falls City, Nebraska
6 Aug 1966
42 fatalieites
4 Crew
38 Passengers
In-flight breakup
From accident investigation report: "Probable cause: Inflight structrual failure caused by extreme turbulence during operation of the aircraft in an area of avoidable hazardous weather"
CAT does not only occur in VMC.
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06-01-2009, 10:33 AM
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It may not be popular opinion, but I'd rather go back to the early days without radar, ADS-B, glass-cockpits, etc...it makes a better Pilot, and as you know, we still lose hulls with all this technology...
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