ARL120384

I didnt have much luck with the search function, but I am wondering if you go to a middle eastern, or any other foreign carrier if the type rating you recieve goes on your FAA certificate. I have a friend at CX and I guess they do their own separate licensing and there's no affiliation with the 777 type and the FAA certs.

Just wondering if you have a type when you leave. Id have to sign a training contract and then leave and have nothing to show for it.

Thanks

ARL

atpcliff

Hi!

Nothing to do with the carrier. It is the home-country's CAA (like FAA). You will get a license conversion, and have their home country CAA license. The type rating will be on that license. Usually, the conversion is not too painful. Sometimes, like with the Kenya CAA, it is a MESS!

When you get back to the states it is typically easy to get the type rating converted to your FAA license. If you have a lot of problems at a FSDO/with an FAA rep, go to another rep or another FSDO. Some places are used to converting, some aren't.

ALSO, many type ratings are different from US-overseas.

For example, a DC-9 type FAA is -9/MD-80/90/B-717. Most CAAs count them as 4 different type ratings. Another is the ATR. FAA is ATR. Vietnam CAA have ATR 42 and 72 as two seperate type ratings. Same goes for some of the CAAs and some of the CRJ/ERJ type ratings.

cliff

LostInAsia

The FAA will not recognize any foreign type rating on a stand alone basis. In my case, I have a B767 type rating on my Japanese ATPL and the only way to get that on my FAA certificate is to sit through an approved training course and take another checkride. Same as if I had never sat in the airplane.

Now you can get a SIC type rating put on there if you can produce your training documents, but that's not really worth anything anyway so why even bother.

I wouldn't say that you have nothing to show for it. You will have your foreign certificate with the type rating on it. I won't lose My Japanese ATPL with type rating just because I leave Japan. Same as I haven't lost my FAA certificates because I no longer fly in the US.

myoface

But, the japanese accept the FAA type rating and one would only have to do the Japanese ATP ride (albeit a slightly different ride than if you did not have an FAA type and get it from the JCAB).

LostInAsia

Ha. Since the "short" course for typed guys is still 7 months, I guess they figure they will have plenty of time to correct your incorrect, western technique.

The FAA is really the most difficult Authority in the world for transferring type ratings. The only one's they will transfer without you having to sit another course are those on a Canadian certificate and that can only be done if you don't already have an FAA ATPL.

The Dominican

One of the ALTEON instructors mentioned when I asked about this that there is a shorter course if you have time on type, but you will still have to take some sim lessons and the check ride

myoface

Well, I didnt say it was shorter...just different!

On a related note, I love how the JCAB will accept a 767 type rating, but not an FCC certificate issued by the US. That was 4 days of worthless knowledge! Yes....you read that right....4 days in the classroom and two exams to get a Japanese Radio Operators Permit.

EYBusdriver

Do you need to transmit and receive Morse for the Japanese Radio Operators Permit?

EYBusdriver

I came to the Middle East with an ICAO ATP, based on the UK ATPL, with an Airbus 340 type rating, the GCAA accepted my credentials but I still had to do the "short" course and a type rating check ride.

jrmyl

No, but you need to know how to build an antenna.