Qantas pilots
10-14-2011, 06:02 AM
#11
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While good salaries, pilots at the Q aren't making 500k a year. The most senior chief pilot might, but not bread and butter. Have heard at leat 300k for Captains but that would be like earning 150k in the States,which is a pretty common legacy Captain salary.
10-14-2011, 06:01 PM
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Well put FR8DOG.
All I know is that before Allan Joyce took over from Geoff Dixon QF made profits in the half billion dollar range for many years running. He's managed to absolutely kill that company, but for some reason thinks it is OK to use the quality of the pilots to sell the product, while doing everything he can to shaft them. SO's by the way do not do that well (I was one at Air NZ, starting pay on the 777 was about $40K US at the time), and it takes forEVer to progress, as has been pointed out.
I work down here (ex N American) and all I can say is that I find the numbers in the article "interesting". I've seen managements take on employee demands (all employee groups are in the same boat by the way and the pilots are about the only ones not on work stoppages) in the press, however yeterday in the Sydney Morn Herald the issue was a 2.5% pay increase and job security (pilots contract current sticking points), which was pretty much what the other QF unions were looking for. . . not much of an ask really is it.
Meanwhile QF has lost another 20 million this past week due to the problems and they have the entirity of Oceania ticked at them; is that good management?
Mostly good comments here, but some people perhaps should show a little respect for their compatriots who are working to keep our profession professional. What happened in the US is a shame, the situation at USAir is terrible and hey, if you look at the papers it's all about the greedy pilots isn't it?
QF staff, in this case I believe, are not the ones systematically destroying the reputation of a world renowned brand. And considering I fly for Brand X (well, brand V as it were) down here I think that's saying something.
And a bit of a thanks to Vagabond for what looked like a reasonable bit of editing. Well done.
All I know is that before Allan Joyce took over from Geoff Dixon QF made profits in the half billion dollar range for many years running. He's managed to absolutely kill that company, but for some reason thinks it is OK to use the quality of the pilots to sell the product, while doing everything he can to shaft them. SO's by the way do not do that well (I was one at Air NZ, starting pay on the 777 was about $40K US at the time), and it takes forEVer to progress, as has been pointed out.
I work down here (ex N American) and all I can say is that I find the numbers in the article "interesting". I've seen managements take on employee demands (all employee groups are in the same boat by the way and the pilots are about the only ones not on work stoppages) in the press, however yeterday in the Sydney Morn Herald the issue was a 2.5% pay increase and job security (pilots contract current sticking points), which was pretty much what the other QF unions were looking for. . . not much of an ask really is it.
Meanwhile QF has lost another 20 million this past week due to the problems and they have the entirity of Oceania ticked at them; is that good management?
Mostly good comments here, but some people perhaps should show a little respect for their compatriots who are working to keep our profession professional. What happened in the US is a shame, the situation at USAir is terrible and hey, if you look at the papers it's all about the greedy pilots isn't it?
QF staff, in this case I believe, are not the ones systematically destroying the reputation of a world renowned brand. And considering I fly for Brand X (well, brand V as it were) down here I think that's saying something.
And a bit of a thanks to Vagabond for what looked like a reasonable bit of editing. Well done.
10-14-2011, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by KoruPilot
Well put FR8DOG.
All I know is that before Allan Joyce took over from Geoff Dixon QF made profits in the half billion dollar range for many years running. He's managed to absolutely kill that company, but for some reason thinks it is OK to use the quality of the pilots to sell the product, while doing everything he can to shaft them. SO's by the way do not do that well (I was one at Air NZ, starting pay on the 777 was about $40K US at the time), and it takes forEVer to progress, as has been pointed out.
I work down here (ex N American) and all I can say is that I find the numbers in the article "interesting". I've seen managements take on employee demands (all employee groups are in the same boat by the way and the pilots are about the only ones not on work stoppages) in the press, however yeterday in the Sydney Morn Herald the issue was a 2.5% pay increase and job security (pilots contract current sticking points), which was pretty much what the other QF unions were looking for. . . not much of an ask really is it.
Meanwhile QF has lost another 20 million this past week due to the problems and they have the entirity of Oceania ticked at them; is that good management?
Mostly good comments here, but some people perhaps should show a little respect for their compatriots who are working to keep our profession professional. What happened in the US is a shame, the situation at USAir is terrible and hey, if you look at the papers it's all about the greedy pilots isn't it?
QF staff, in this case I believe, are not the ones systematically destroying the reputation of a world renowned brand. And considering I fly for Brand X (well, brand V as it were) down here I think that's saying something.
And a bit of a thanks to Vagabond for what looked like a reasonable bit of editing. Well done.
All I know is that before Allan Joyce took over from Geoff Dixon QF made profits in the half billion dollar range for many years running. He's managed to absolutely kill that company, but for some reason thinks it is OK to use the quality of the pilots to sell the product, while doing everything he can to shaft them. SO's by the way do not do that well (I was one at Air NZ, starting pay on the 777 was about $40K US at the time), and it takes forEVer to progress, as has been pointed out.
I work down here (ex N American) and all I can say is that I find the numbers in the article "interesting". I've seen managements take on employee demands (all employee groups are in the same boat by the way and the pilots are about the only ones not on work stoppages) in the press, however yeterday in the Sydney Morn Herald the issue was a 2.5% pay increase and job security (pilots contract current sticking points), which was pretty much what the other QF unions were looking for. . . not much of an ask really is it.
Meanwhile QF has lost another 20 million this past week due to the problems and they have the entirity of Oceania ticked at them; is that good management?
Mostly good comments here, but some people perhaps should show a little respect for their compatriots who are working to keep our profession professional. What happened in the US is a shame, the situation at USAir is terrible and hey, if you look at the papers it's all about the greedy pilots isn't it?
QF staff, in this case I believe, are not the ones systematically destroying the reputation of a world renowned brand. And considering I fly for Brand X (well, brand V as it were) down here I think that's saying something.
And a bit of a thanks to Vagabond for what looked like a reasonable bit of editing. Well done.
When telling people to show respect one should look at his own choices.
I think that Qantas pilots are doing what they need to do, but there is also a point when you need to think about how much is to much.
10-14-2011, 08:56 PM
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Well mate, from the way you put it you don't think the QF pilots are not doing much of anything but making out better than you.
The T&C at V are actually quite good, so perhaps you should check your facts before spouting off.
Apologies for the tone to everybody else, but your post from before was poor to say the least.
And it's too much, not to much. Normally I wouldn't care, but since it's you. . .
The T&C at V are actually quite good, so perhaps you should check your facts before spouting off.
Apologies for the tone to everybody else, but your post from before was poor to say the least.
And it's too much, not to much. Normally I wouldn't care, but since it's you. . .
10-14-2011, 09:40 PM
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PCLCREW Their raises were 20K more then a lot of FOs make in a year... So cry me a [xxxxx] river.
Would you consider taking a job at brand V showing Qantas pilots respect considering they are one of the factors bringing pilot pay down in that part of the world?
I think that Qantas pilots are doing what they need to do, but there is also a point when you need to think about how much is to much.
If anyone is interested in facts, I'm happy to converse and even argue the point. Please don't spread BS. Thanks
10-16-2011, 03:30 PM
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QF staff, in this case I believe, are not the ones systematically destroying the reputation of a world renowned brand. And considering I fly for Brand X (well, brand V as it were) down here I think that's saying something.
The T&C at V are actually quite good, so perhaps you should check your facts before spouting off.
10-16-2011, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by KoruPilot
Well mate, from the way you put it you don't think the QF pilots are not doing much of anything but making out better than you.
The T&C at V are actually quite good, so perhaps you should check your facts before spouting off.
Apologies for the tone to everybody else, but your post from before was poor to say the least.
And it's too much, not to much. Normally I wouldn't care, but since it's you. . .
The T&C at V are actually quite good, so perhaps you should check your facts before spouting off.
Apologies for the tone to everybody else, but your post from before was poor to say the least.
And it's too much, not to much. Normally I wouldn't care, but since it's you. . .
It was a poor post... Im out for a while.
10-17-2011, 05:08 AM
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One of the things that amazes me about most pilots here in the US is how little we know about working conditions and T&C's at other jobs abroad, I don't think PCL meant to be disrespectful, he believes that the "V" brand pays the same in all their subsidiaries as they do in the states, when in fact V America pays the lowest salary of all the companies under their brand. What is happening at QF is appalling, I just can't believe that their contract doesn't have more solid scope language on it (speculating that is the root of the problem, correct me if I'm wrong) it is sad to see the destruction of such an iconic brand
10-17-2011, 01:55 PM
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Dom,
Scope or "job protection"as it's referred to down here, is indeed the root of the problem. Qantas has been systematically eaten from the inside out by Jetstar. I still remember when QF bought Impulse and rebranded it, Jetstar. I kept thinking, why can't they see what a bad sign it is that QF A330's are being moved to Jetstar???
Unfortunately, the horse has well and truly bolted and while I take absolutely no pleasure in saying this, I think QF Intl are well and truly screwed. At some point in the next 3 years Jetstar will be rebranded the "New" Qantas and QF management will have destroyed an internationally recognized brand and they'll finally have their b-scale pilots.
Until then, i'm pretty sure I'm safe on saying that QF pilots have the full support of us at V.
Scope or "job protection"as it's referred to down here, is indeed the root of the problem. Qantas has been systematically eaten from the inside out by Jetstar. I still remember when QF bought Impulse and rebranded it, Jetstar. I kept thinking, why can't they see what a bad sign it is that QF A330's are being moved to Jetstar???
Unfortunately, the horse has well and truly bolted and while I take absolutely no pleasure in saying this, I think QF Intl are well and truly screwed. At some point in the next 3 years Jetstar will be rebranded the "New" Qantas and QF management will have destroyed an internationally recognized brand and they'll finally have their b-scale pilots.
Until then, i'm pretty sure I'm safe on saying that QF pilots have the full support of us at V.
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